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Old 08-12-2014, 07:02 PM   #11
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Default Re: Team needs a mentality shift

I know this is going to sound like I hate Tomlin, but I really dont, just pointing out something I think he needed to learn as a young coach.

But I remember Tomlin making excuses for ugly wins and not being ashamed of them. 08 cowboys game press conference I know for sure he said those sentiments. I didnt really like it then even as we went on to win a Super Bowl.....in another close call.

This stuff was all masked by a great group of leaders like A.Smith, Ward, Farrior,Harrison, ect ect.

Eventually this has went from ugly winning to just plain ugly.....as those team leaders have moved on.
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:02 PM   #12
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The thing that irritates me the most is the seemingly inability of the Steelers to close out games with a strong defensive effort in the final few minutes of the fourth quarter. I detest the so-called "prevent" defense, which only prevents the one shot TD pass, but gives up the 25-35 yard passes to allow the opposition the opportunity to go for the win. I sure hope this new young blood on the Steelers' defense can turn that scenario around quickly. It is what it is, it's Tomlin's show.
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:19 PM   #13
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The Steelers get results, but is anyone besides me sick of...
- losing to inferior teams, while playing most tough teams tough
- rarely taking any kind of major lead
- having to have a chip on their shoulders to perform

With so many offensive weapons and most likely a better than average defense the Steelers should get a few blowouts. I'm realistic and we will work the clock, but every game shouldn't be a fight from behind affair or a last minute nail biter. I don't have data to support these observations, but it is my opinion that this has been the MO since Cowher.

This is my first post on this forum, but I'm a professional lurker and I constantly see comments like:
"oh crap, playing the worse team in the league"
"we play better when underdogs"
"love it when the media is against us"
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I can't explain it, I don't know how to fix it, but it really irritates me. Only thing I can attribute it to is offensive leadership. Ben is a winner, but he isn't a front-runner.

Any thoughts?
What the hell is the difference between a winner and a front runner?
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:27 PM   #14
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ANSWER: No salary cap to worry about staying in compliance with.

Today's NFL is a much different creature than the one in the 1970's. I don't think it is even possible in the salary-cap era to repeat 3 times.
You are only as good as the players you have. I agree it is much harder to keep a nucleus of good players together now than before. All you hear now is cap,cap,cap. That is why good coaching now is more important than ever. It is also why most games are much closer than before. Cap concerns make teams more equal in talent.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:55 PM   #15
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You are only as good as the players you have. I agree it is much harder to keep a nucleus of good players together now than before. All you hear now is cap,cap,cap. That is why good coaching now is more important than ever. It is also why most games are much closer than before. Cap concerns make teams more equal in talent.
And yet there are teams that are consistently top tier and teams that are consistently bottom tier, and teams that are consistently middle of the road. There are teams that lock themselves into cycles of salary cap Hell for years to get a championship shot, and then there are teams, (Miami) who attempt such a thing and end up with a team full of Mike Wallaces and no shot at a championship, and an unmanageable salary cap down the road.

Still I like the salary cap. It gives Cleveland and Detroit false hope for a few weeks every year, but honestly it does mean that every team has a chance to right the ship.

As far as getting 3 in a row, I guess it depends on how big a check you write to Der Kommisar, (New England).
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What the hell is the difference between a winner and a front runner?
Every time I see that term used it seems to have a different meaning.
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What the hell is the difference between a winner and a front runner?
Haha, ok. My definition (since I wrote it) is that he wins, and has a winning attitude but he seems to lack the killer instinct to get a lead and build upon it. It almost seems like the team feels bad about beating teams too badly, Ben plays his best football when behind and the game is on the line... most times:)
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:23 AM   #18
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This mentality is actually a holdover from the Cowher era. It's not a Tomlin thing.

This whole biz of losing to inferior teams, and falling flat or being ill-prepared in road games is a Cowher trait.

The Steelers were never a "business" team under Cowher and now Tomlin. They thrived on attitude and emotion. Sometimes it works. Other times it doesn't.

As for the the last two years, I think it's more of a result that for the first time in a long time, the Steelers had a wide collection of subpar talent than most teams. Rashard "Breadbasket" Mendenhall and Ziggy "Exercise Hound" Hood were mediocre wash-outs as far as First Rounders go. Veterans were getting older. Woodley got lazy and fat, we were forced to start Vince Williams at LB, Old Larry Foote was our BEST option at ILB, Manny Sanders was an average WR not even good enough to be a 2nd guy. Isaac Redman had heart, but was woefully average as a runner, Jon Dwyer just wasn't the guy period.

Just substandard talent and depth all around. Who honestly, outside of Ben, Brown and Troy, stands out on the Steelers the past two years? Nobody. Some lights went on like Heyward and Worilds, but they're nowhere near elite yet.

No "Mentality shift" would fix the 2012-2013 Steelers. It's a miracle we got 8 wins out of both teams, especially the latter team.

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Old 08-13-2014, 07:54 AM   #19
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Training camp alone shows a mentality shift. These guys are out there getting pissed off, getting into the occasional scuffle, hitting hard, etc... Reading the camp notes from this year compared to last year and I think this team is a lot younger, and a lot hungrier than the teams we've seen the past few seasons.
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makes you appreciate the Steelers of the 70's even more. How Chuck Noll had his players on the right mindset.

How do you not grow complacent after winning one, two, three superbowls, and come out with 4 in a span of 6 yrs?
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ANSWER: No salary cap to worry about staying in compliance with.

Today's NFL is a much different creature than the one in the 1970's. I don't think it is even possible in the salary-cap era to repeat 3 times.

I would be foolish to argue that the lack of a league mandated salary cap didn't contribute to 4 SB wins in 6 years.

It would be foolish to think that the lack of a salary cap was the main reason for 4 wins in 6 years.

It was certainly a factor, but the factors of coaching, leadership, talent, and personal pride carried more weight.
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