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Old 10-06-2006, 06:21 AM   #31
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Default Re: Randy Moss To The Patriots?

i dunno. i think its like adding Dennis Johnson to the Celtics, all the veterans there set the tone, or Sheffield on the Yankees, or as Tony keeps reminding us, Dillon to the Patriots. Bill Belichick knows how to get through to people like Moss. For cry eye, hes close friends with Jim Brown.
i think New England would be the perfect place for Moss. Too many winning personalities on that club for him to be what he was in Minnesota, which also, btw, was the best receiver in the world.
if im the Patriots, i take the chance.
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Old 10-06-2006, 02:05 PM   #32
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i dunno. i think its like adding Dennis Johnson to the Celtics, all the veterans there set the tone, or Sheffield on the Yankees, or as Tony keeps reminding us, Dillon to the Patriots. Bill Belichick knows how to get through to people like Moss. For cry eye, hes close friends with Jim Brown.
i think New England would be the perfect place for Moss. Too many winning personalities on that club for him to be what he was in Minnesota, which also, btw, was the best receiver in the world.
if im the Patriots, i take the chance.
Who is to say that Dillon is anything like Moss, personality wise?

Sure they have both had their run-ins with management, but I dont remember Corey ever telling anyone who'd listen that he 'didnt care' what was happening with his team.

If anything Dillon cared too much, he was sick of putting up Pro-bowl numbers only for the rest of the team to demonstrate a total disregard for winning games.

From the top down the Bengals were a joke.

Then when things start to pick up, he gets an opportunity to play on a team capable of winning 8 games in a single season instead of spread over 3 seasons he gets usurped by a younger model.

Moss hasn't shown me anything like that degree of passion, just a general apathy.

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Old 10-07-2006, 02:56 PM   #33
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You read my mind.

I think you can apply that scenario to the Patriots aswell, can't you?

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not when they bring charles rogers in for a look-see. pretty much blows your theory about randy moss, and the pats not needing or wanting a deep threat out of the water. character doesnt seem to be much of an issue.

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Corey Dillon was a calculated gamble by the Patriots after some pretty tough interviews - I can't say for sure that Moss wouldn't react the same as he has but I would think it unlikely - Dillon always gave 100% on the field.
pretty tough interviews? as opposed to all other interviews? i gotta call you on this bullshit. ask any bengalfan and im sure they would agree dillon is more of a locker room distraction than moss. if he always gave 100% rudi johnson wouldnt have pushed him out of the job. like i said the situation of bringing in moss would be EXACTLY the same as bringing in dillon. of course you can ignore everything dillon has done in the past cause he is a current pat. if moss became a pat you would forgive all his misgivings just the same.

good luck with rogers.
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Old 10-07-2006, 03:16 PM   #34
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not when they bring charles rogers in for a look-see. pretty much blows your theory about randy moss, and the pats not needing or wanting a deep threat out of the water. character doesnt seem to be much of an issue.
There is a big difference between scouting available players who might be able to fill a need in an emergency and giving up a 1st round pick, our 2nd choice QB and whatever else you had us giving up for Moss.

Its all a question of scale and risk.

There is no risk associate with 'taking a look' at Rogers, just the same as there was 'no risk' with the addition of celebrated fat kid, Johnathan Sullivan, for an unwanted WR.

Giving up your back-up QB and 1st roiund pick - is a big risk.

Im pretty sure you can see that.


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pretty tough interviews? as opposed to all other interviews? i gotta call you on this bullshit. ask any bengalfan and im sure they would agree dillon is more of a locker room distraction than moss. if he always gave 100% rudi johnson wouldnt have pushed him out of the job. like i said the situation of bringing in moss would be EXACTLY the same as bringing in dillon. of course you can ignore everything dillon has done in the past cause he is a current pat. if moss became a pat you would forgive all his misgivings just the same.

good luck with rogers.
Ask any Bengals fan?

Sure, that would give me a nice unbiased view on the guy - of course they will say he is a 'distraction' maybe even a cancer.

Go ask a Patriots fan how much of a traitor Vinatieri is, then ask a Colts fan - bet you dont get matching answers!

If Moss became a Patriot I would back him 100% - if the Patriots management give him the ok then that is more than enough for me.

It is, however, my opinion they would not trade for him, and certainly not at the short sighted over zealous trade value you assign him.

maybe im wrong though, you have a real great idea about trade value as you were so desperate to tell us - how'd that Branch trade work out for you?

1st rounder was it?

No, let me guess...you know better than the Patriots and Seahawks (teams that have contested the last 3 SB's) management about a players trade value

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sorry but your premise wasnt about "scale and risk". it was about moss disrupting the locker room chemistry of the pats and not giving 100%. but feel free to change your tune.

r. moss > c. rogers or gabriel, caldwell, jackson etc.

how'd that trade work out for the seahawks? they wouldve been better off trading for moss. but then again their mgmt has had a few off season blunders:

not franchising hutchinson
overpaying for burleson
overpaying for branch

anyways the whole premise of this thread is the pats need for a deep threat. one you implied wasnt there. looks like pats management proved you wrong and me right by bringing in rogers. whats new? the best deep threat available is r. moss. the best player who could have the biggest impact in the pats offense is r. moss. the team who has the most to offer is the pats.

i'll just put this lesson on your tab.

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It is, however, my opinion they would not trade for him, and certainly not at the short sighted over zealous trade value you assign him.
you dont really think one of the best receivers in the game (and possibly all time) would come cheaper than deion branch did you? lol.
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sorry but your premise wasnt about "scale and risk". it was about moss disrupting the locker room chemistry of the pats and not giving 100%. but feel free to change your tune.

r. moss > c. rogers or gabriel, caldwell, jackson etc.

how'd that trade work out for the seahawks? they wouldve been better off trading for moss. but then again their mgmt has had a few off season blunders:

not franchising hutchinson
overpaying for burleson
overpaying for branch

anyways the whole premise of this thread is the pats need for a deep threat. one you implied wasnt there. looks like pats management proved you wrong and me right by bringing in rogers. whats new? the best deep threat available is r. moss. the best player who could have the biggest impact in the pats offense is r. moss. the team who has the most to offer is the pats.

i'll just put this lesson on your tab.

you dont really think one of the best receivers in the game (and possibly all time) would come cheaper than deion branch did you? lol.
You are going to tell me what my own 'premise' was?

Of course I think that Moss wouldnt be a great addition to 'lockerroom chemistry' and that he doesn't always give 100%.

To clarify further, it would be a huge risk for the Patriots, in my opinion, to trade away their only back-up QB and a 1st rounder to get Moss on board.

You were the one attempting to draw parallels to the Patriots 'looking at' Charles Rogers and signing Moss - I was simply explaining why there is simply no comparison between the two situations.

As for your growing obsession about the Patriots requirement for a 'deep threat' .... I can't understand where you are getting it from.

You are the guy with the tired 'dink and dunk' schtick regarding Brady's successful passing offense - now you are telling us that because we have traded away a guy (who specialised in medium to short routes) we now suddenly have a burning need for a speedy deep threat?

Sorry, thats just illogical.

Sure, we had speedy guys on the roster - Bethel Johnson, Tim Dwight, Andre Davis - and you know how many passes they caught between them last year?

34.

Thats about 11 each - alot less than 1 a game.

So you can see how important the deep ball, and the speedy WR are to Tom Brady.

No, I think we'll stick to WR's who can run solid routes and catch the accurately thrown ball in traffic.

Oh and to return to the Charle Rogers scenario - he is a guy that has come in for a few workouts - more than likely to give us something to work with if we lose a bunch of WR's at a later stage of the season and leave us in an 'emergency' situation.

Its that type of forward planning that makes the Patriots the most successful team in the salary cap era.

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To clarify further, it would be a huge risk for the Patriots, in my opinion, to trade away their only back-up QB and a 1st rounder to get Moss on board.


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34.

Thats about 11 each - alot less than 1 a game.
brady really cant get the ball downfield can he? youre comparing r. moss to those 3? newsflash- moss has more td receptions in his rookie year than those 3 combined. maybe the reason they have 34 catches is because they suck. oh, and theyre all gone now, along with d. givens and d. branch.

charles rogers- lazy, dopehead, backmouths coaches and the team, doesnt give 100%. what were you saying about disrupting locker room chemistry? must suck when your own team proves you wrong.
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have to with Tony on this one, guys. Bethel, Tim, and Andre? compared to Randy Moss?? You dont think Brady would be drooling to have Moss to throw to? And if it ONLY costs a backup QB and a #1 then its a steal.
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