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Old 01-02-2007, 10:48 AM   #1
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Default THE OFFICIAL - Bash James Brown thread

Here now we can say why we didn't like him.

My reason, he was a woman beater. I don't care how much he contributed to the music industry. Pretty much everyone is saying that if you beat women and you don't contribute to society you're a bad person, but since he was a great musician, he gets a free pass.

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Sinatra was supposedly another one. Same with Chuck Berry. And John Lennon confessed in song ("I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her away from the things that she loved...").

There's lots of them. If you insist that your art be free from contamination that's cool, but remember to apply consistency.


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I don't think I have made a thread praising any of those guys and then said to be fair b/c they contributed so much to music.
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Nope, you didn't, and I didn't mean to do anything other than highlight the conundrum raised when you apply that standard; it can be hard to decide who to like and who not to like based on how they conduct their personal life, knowing only what is reported or what is public record.

And I meant no judgement on that decision. It's as good a way to judge someone as any other. But it would be difficult to apply consistency.


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Here now we can say why we didn't like him.

My reason, he was a woman beater. I don't care how much he contributed to the music industry. Pretty much everyone is saying that if you beat women and you don't contribute to society you're a bad person, but since he was a great musician, he gets a free pass.

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Might want to include Michale Jackasson in there too. Even thou his still alive.
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Yep - it always happens when somebody dies -- the media goes to work making them bigger in death then they were in life -- I have always wondered why we can't just admire their talents and nothing else - don't strain to talk about what great people they were - just talk about the music, the athletic ability, etc and then stop!! - Derek Thomas of the Chiefs was another example of this - here was a guy with 8 kids from 7 different women - when he died he had nothing - nada set aside for any of his kids - but yet he had several closets full of expensive designer shoes and clothing and he was highly disrespectful towards women - especially the mothers of his children -- but there was the media talking and straining about what a great guy he was -- shut up!!! - just say he was a good pass rusher and leave it at that - and move on....
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Sinatra was supposedly another one. Same with Chuck Berry. And John Lennon confessed in song ("I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her away from the things that she loved...").

There's lots of them. If you insist that your art be free from contamination that's cool, but remember to apply consistency.


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I never knew this about John Lennon --- hard to believe he could beat up anything - I'm surprised the woman he was referring to in the song didn't kick his a** - wife beaters are always punks - they will go out of their way ot make sure they never have a confrontation with another man - because - you know that's too risky - but they always go looking for fights with women....
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Here now we can say why we didn't like him.

My reason, he was a woman beater. I don't care how much he contributed to the music industry. Pretty much everyone is saying that if you beat women and you don't contribute to society you're a bad person, but since he was a great musician, he gets a free pass.

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I fail to see how paying respects to James Brown and remembering his contributions to the music industry is giving him a "free pass." Should we just forget about that altogether? I don't think that's fair or right. Gerald Ford just passed away - should we only remember his pardon of Nixon? When Nixon himself passed away, people still paid their respects and found positive things to say about him - should we have only focused on the Watergate scandal? How about Derrick Thomas and John Lennon and JFK or Bill Clinton for that matter - should people not remember the good that they did just because of their conduct in their personal lives? Was James Brown a perfect person? Obviously, he was not...but neither are you, me or anyone else.
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Default Re: THE OFFICIAL - Bash James Brown thread

I could personally give a shit less what he did for music, if he hadn't done it, someone else would have. Yea, I know I am not perfect, but James Brown will always be a wife-beater in my book.
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I never knew this about John Lennon --- hard to believe he could beat up anything - I'm surprised the woman he was referring to in the song didn't kick his a** - wife beaters are always punks - they will go out of their way ot make sure they never have a confrontation with another man - because - you know that's too risky - but they always go looking for fights with women....

It was pretty well known about Lennon at the time. He credited Yoko Ono with changing his personality, making him a better man. Whatever she did to break up The Beatles, she was good for Lennon; getting him off heroin and teaching him benevolence.

Look at this lyric he wrote...

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Well you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or you won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl
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