New Arena Discussion

[Prosdo]

Maybe I am wrong but this would be career suicide for some of the officials.

[83-Steelers-43]

Originally Posted by Prosdo

Maybe I am wrong but this would be career suicide for some of the officials.

What scares me, is that maybe some of these goverment officials involved feel that all they have to do is simply "show" that they are "trying" to get a deal done. Whether they stay or leave it will still look like they put up a fight. The only reason why I do not believe that's the case is because it still comes down to a pro-sports team leaving this city on a young Ravenstahl and Onorato's watch. I do not believe they want that on their young resumes.

Anyways, for the most part I've kept a very positive attitude towards these negotiations. I'm still holding out hope that this is simply another example of the Penguins blowing smoke, but I do not believe they are "very close" as that crooked piece of Philly trash would have you believe. If they were "very close" I do not believe that letter would have been sent yesterday.

Eitherway, I still have faith that these two sides will reach an agreement soon.

[Counselor]

I worked in politics for several years, and my biggest problem with the large portion of "leaders" in PA are that they are not leaders--not forward thinkers. Everything is a knee-jerk reaction to the "now" problem not a decision based on what is important long term for the region. And those are the good politicians---the bad ones are solely interested in their power and pocketbooks and they posture by banging on the table in meetings to make it look like their doing something.

So if this were the Flyers, do we think this would even be an issue? A deal would have been done last year----actually the fix would have been in for Isle of Capri.

[83-Steelers-43]

Originally Posted by Counselor

I worked in politics for several years, and my biggest problem with the large portion of "leaders" in PA are that they are not leaders--not forward thinkers. Everything is a knee-jerk reaction to the "now" problem not a decision based on what is important long term for the region. And those are the good politicians---the bad ones are solely interested in their power and pocketbooks and they posture by banging on the table in meetings to make it look like their doing something.

So if this were the Flyers, do we think this would even be an issue? A deal would have been done last year----actually the fix would have been in for Isle of Capri.

And that's why I laugh when Pennsylvanian's complain about Ed Rendell and continue to vote him into office. It's not as if this guy just started being a two-faced crook who only cares about Filthadelphia. It's been there all along folks.

But as I've stated in the past, if there is a "D" next to the name in this state, nothing else matters. It's a shame because this city is suffering in the process. But hey, as long as Barden got his casino and the Hill District is safe from those pesky gamblers.

On that note, how about that convention center Murphy blessed our city with shortly before he departed? The Bass tournament, car shows. Hopefully in the future we can get the 70 years of age and older Annual Bingo Tournament. That's if the thing is still standing....

[Counselor]

But as I've stated in the past, if there is a "D" next to the name in this state, nothing else matters. It's a shame because this city is suffering in the process.

The ineptitude crosses party lines----a lot of the R's won't support something like the arena because their "knee-jerk" reaction is that its "using tax payer money for sports teams"--nevermind the economic benefit to the region both sports and non-sports related.

[83-Steelers-43]

Originally Posted by Counselor

The ineptitude crosses party lines----a lot of the R's won't support something like the arena because their "knee-jerk" reaction is that its "using tax payer money for sports teams"--nevermind the economic benefit to the region both sports and non-sports related.

I'm not doubting that (and you know better than I do when it comes to politics), but it hasn't been going very well with the "D's" in office. That's all I know. Maybe a change would be good. But we all know what happens when a good number in this city are confronted with change.

Who knows, maybe with a "R" the IOC would have gone through? I really can't say it would have gone through and I really can't say it would not have. All I know is that it did not and the politicians in this state seem to be on their way to screwing up this franchise and this city.

[Counselor]

but it hasn't been going very well with the "D's" in office. That's all I know.

I'm certainly not saying you're wrong. I'm a big fan of voting for the person not the party. You're right that the problems come in where one party has singular control over a region. (D's in Pgh, R's in rural PA)

[83-Steelers-43]

Originally Posted by Counselor

I'm a big fan of voting for the person not the party.

I'm just tired of seeing this city go backwards instead of forwards. I really don't care if your a "R" or "D", all I'm saying is that it's not working out very well when it comes to the "D's" in this state/city. Maybe it's time for that dreaded Pittsburgh word, "change"?

Oh well, here's to getting a deal done in the near future even though I'm starting to get tired of stating it...

[83-Steelers-43]

So what do you think counselor? I'd like to hear your opinion. Penguins and Lemieux blowing smoke? Milking the goverment for all they can? Making Fast Eddie sweat under the collar a little before they sign a deal?

Or....

Do you feel the latest news is the beginning of the end?

[Prosdo]

I'm still holding faith that these two sides will agree. I mean Pittsburgh losing a major sports team? You are right this would look horrible on the officials resumes. As for the voting. I agree with voting for the right person. Not just the party. I am registered as a Democrat and the only reason I did that is to vote for Bobby O'Connor in the primaries. Otherwise I would be undecided or whatever category they put you under lol.