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Old 04-26-2007, 03:06 PM   #11
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It could be worse.. Al Gore could be the pres. Just something to think about.
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Old 04-26-2007, 03:20 PM   #12
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It could be worse.. Al Gore could be the pres. Just something to think about.
I don't think it can get any worse than it already is. GEORGE W. BUSH: LIKE A ROCK (only dumber)
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Old 04-26-2007, 03:23 PM   #13
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Everyone knows where my sympathies lie; there's no love lost between me and the current administration.

But not in my wildest imagination would I ever think that the Bush family is in this for profit. I believe that all the Bushes would give every last dime they have, if it meant that we would win the war in Iraq and the war against terror.


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I would , with respect to the other side of this issue, give my view of the truth of our current situation. The truth is that we have only lost 3,000 lives...yet have crippled a terrorist organization that at one time was strong enough to kill Americans on American soil. The truth is that we are involved in a war where we are the occupying force...which is ALWAYS cheaper than being the army fighting an occupied force....and MUCH cheaper than the price we would pay to stand back and let terrorists have free reign.
The truth is that I would rather see a bud of freedom spring from the ashes of war...then to see weeds of terrorism invade the garden of democracy....and that is our ONLY choices.
I appreciate Stlrs4Life for presenting the other side of this situation...and for those who dont know him...DO NOT DOUBT FOR A SECOND HIS LOYALTY TO THIS COUNTRY....he is a VETERAN and has put his money where his mouth is!!!! ....and his take on what is happening is always well thought out and respectful.
Regardless of which side we take on this issue...everyone should do a little homework ,.....compare the cost of lives to that of past wars...compare the cost (with inflation figured in) to that of past wars. Make a decision based on being well-informed. Unfortunatley..there are people in this country (like the writer of the article) who would rather see us lose this war...then to see George Bush succeed at anything...and they let ideology get in the way of rational thought.





Very good post. But the only thing that gets me, is no matter when we leave Iraq, Sept 08. Sept 18, it doesn't matter, we will never totally stop terrorism. It has been there for centuries, those people do not care, when they die they feel like they are doing good when they die. They think they are martyrs when they die. 9/11 could have happened no matter who was in office. Terrorism will always be there. We stay in Iraq, terrorists train in Iran, we invade Iran, they train somewhere else, it's a never ending vicious cycle.


llt, I can see tyour point about losing the 3000 soldiers, but I don't believe it matters how we lose them, we still lost them.
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Default Re: Congress Must Cut Off Bush Family War Profits Part 1

[QUOTE=Stlrs4Life;241376]Very good post. But the only thing that gets me, is no matter when we leave Iraq, Sept 08. Sept 18, it doesn't matter, we will never totally stop terrorism. It has been there for centuries, those people do not care, when they die they feel like they are doing good when they die. They think they are martyrs when they die. 9/11 could have happened no matter who was in office. Terrorism will always be there. We stay in Iraq, terrorists train in Iran, we invade Iran, they train somewhere else, it's a never ending vicious cycle.


llt, I can see tyour point about losing the 3000 soldiers, but I don't believe it matters how we lose them, we still lost them.[/QUOTE]

and since there's no exit strategy or end in sight , who knows what the final cost (both financial and human life ) or results will be.
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Only 3325! And for what? Osama wasn't based in Iraq nor was he supported by Sadam. Please don't drink the Kool Aid that this current admin. is feeding you. Where are the WMD's? A bud of democracy that will die in a civil war that we helped to create.
If you know where Osama is ...or isnt..please pass that information on to Homeland security..the knowledge would be appreciated. As we have posted before...(and is easily veriafiable)...there WERE known connections between Sadaams regime and Bin Laden....of course Sadaams regime has stated that they were not about terrorism, and hey who are we to not believe them...right?
..as for WMD's...how did Hillary...Durbin...Pelosi..and the rest of the Dems vote when presented with the same information that was presented to the president?...Please dont ignore the inconvienent truths.
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If you know where Osama is ...or isnt..please pass that information on to Homeland security..the knowledge would be appreciated. As we have posted before...(and is easily veriafiable)...there WERE known connections between Sadaams regime and Bin Laden....of course Sadaams regime has stated that they were not about terrorism, and hey who are we to not believe them...right?
..as for WMD's...how did Hillary...Durbin...Pelosi..and the rest of the Dems vote when presented with the same information that was presented to the president?...Please dont ignore the inconvienent truths.
No, unfortuanetly I don't know where Osama is. But if you give me 421 BILLION dollars which is what this inane war has cost thus far ,not to mention hundreds of thousands of lives, I'm pretty sure I could find him. You say you've found connections between Sadaam and Al-Qaeda? I find that hard to believe considering the C.I.A. couldn't ,and neither did The Senate Committee on Intelligence. Keep on drinking the Kool Aid, and I hope you don't lose any loved ones in this senseless war.
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I think there is a misconception among many people, that those who oppose the war are against winning it.

Speaking for myself, if I thought continuing what we're doing now would win it, I would be behind that 100%. But all I see continuing the present course doing is making it worse; the current course is LOSING.

The situation can't be won militarily. It needs to be won politically, economically, and socially. (Huh. Harry Reid said that. Funny how the "winning" part wasn't picked up on though.)

We're using the wrong tool, and it's disrespectful to the ones who are trying to do it to ask them to keep trying. We're trying to drive screws with a hammer.

But again; that being said, there is no doubt in my mind about the SINCERITY OF BELIEF of Bush and his associates. In fact, I accept their totality of belief as proof of their madness.

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I think there is a misconception among many people, that those who oppose the war are against winning it.

Speaking for myself, if I thought continuing what we're doing now would win it, I would be behind that 100%. But all I see continuing the present course doing is making it worse; the current course is LOSING.

The situation can't be won militarily. It needs to be won politically, economically, and socially. (Huh. Harry Reid said that. Funny how the "winning" part wasn't picked up on though.)

We're using the wrong tool, and it's disrespectful to the ones who are trying to do it to ask them to keep trying. We're trying to drive screws with a hammer.

But again; that being said, there is no doubt in my mind about the SINCERITY OF BELIEF of Bush and his associates. In fact, I accept their totality of belief as proof of their madness.

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Very good post. But the only thing that gets me, is no matter when we leave Iraq, Sept 08. Sept 18, it doesn't matter, we will never totally stop terrorism. It has been there for centuries, those people do not care, when they die they feel like they are doing good when they die. They think they are martyrs when they die. 9/11 could have happened no matter who was in office. Terrorism will always be there. We stay in Iraq, terrorists train in Iran, we invade Iran, they train somewhere else, it's a never ending vicious cycle.


llt, I can see tyour point about losing the 3000 soldiers, but I don't believe it matters how we lose them, we still lost them.
May I correct you in one place here... Terrorism has NOT been there for centuries.

the terrorism seen on 9-11 is a step up from the terrorism seen in the 1980's. That brand of terrorism started in the early '80's as the hard core religious mullahs took control of Iran and preceeded to destablize the mideast even more.
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