The Republicans have sold out America.

[Jeremy]

Bush is selling out America for the Latino vote.

This country had better start paying attention to what their leaders are doing. You're about to be blindsided with the most ridiculous piece of legislation ever to come out of Congress and the majority of Americans think it's a good thing.

Listen up folks, I live in Tucson, Arizona. That's basically ground zero for immigration debate. Let me tell you right here and now that you do not want this bill to pass. These people are like locusts. If you think Social Security is in trouble now. Wait until we have millions of formerly illegal immigrants sucking the life out of the system. These people don't make America better. I beg each and every one of you, see through the PC bullshit and contact your Senators and Congressmen today and tell them they'll lose your vote if they pass this first step to the complete and total destruction of America.

Dick Morris explains why this is all about politics and not what's actually best for America.

[revefsreleets]

This is an insanely complicated subject. There is no good solution.

[Atlanta Dan]

Originally Posted by revefsreleets

This is an insanely complicated subject. There is no good solution.

Agreed.

Like trade with China that devastates American industries, people like the cheap prices illegal immigation brings until the costs outweigh those benefits.

Working out how to balance thse costs and benefits, which are not distributed evenly, is a tough issue for most people who are not as smart as Dick Morris, Sean Hannity and Pat Buchanan.

Let's just say this President probably is not in the best position from a political or for that matter credibility standpoint to be making those tough choices these days and may be cutting deals in a desperate attempt to have a legacy that rests on more than his foreign policy record.

[Jeremy]

Originally Posted by revefsreleets

This is an insanely complicated subject. There is no good solution.

Yes there is, it's called enforcing the laws on the books. I'm so tired of people trying to make this is a complicated issue. If you're here without a green card/visa/etc, you're here illegally and shoudl be arressted and sent back to wherever it is that you came from. What the Republicans are trying to do right now is win the hearts and minds of the Latino community by buying them off with this bill. It's a disgrace.

[j-dawg]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

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Yes there is, it's called enforcing the laws on the books. I'm so tired of people trying to make this is a complicated issue. If you're here without a green card/visa/etc, you're here illegally and shoudl be arressted and sent back to wherever it is that you came from. What the Republicans are trying to do right now is win the hearts and minds of the Latino community by buying them off with this bill. It's a disgrace.

i have a feeling this bill will be watered down and amount to little more than lip service by the time it's pushed through... this "immigration debate" is little more than a distraction to the war and our non existent debate of an exit strategy. as far as enforcing laws on the books... there are so many ridiculous laws that never get enforced... how could you fund any of 'em anyway when we've spent $456 billion on iraq?

[revefsreleets]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

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Yes there is, it's called enforcing the laws on the books. I'm so tired of people trying to make this is a complicated issue. If you're here without a green card/visa/etc, you're here illegally and shoudl be arressted and sent back to wherever it is that you came from. What the Republicans are trying to do right now is win the hearts and minds of the Latino community by buying them off with this bill. It's a disgrace.

And how exactly do we arrest 20,000,000 people and send them home? And how will we pay for it? And who will take the yucky jobs that these people do? And how will we keep more from coming in while we are busy getting rid of the ones who are here now? And what do we do if 20,000,000 people start rioting? Shoot them? Barring shooting them, and not being able to ship them home, do we imprison them? If so, what do we do with our current prisoners?

I'd say it's pretty complicated.

[Hammer67]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

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Yes there is, it's called enforcing the laws on the books. I'm so tired of people trying to make this is a complicated issue. If you're here without a green card/visa/etc, you're here illegally and shoudl be arressted and sent back to wherever it is that you came from. What the Republicans are trying to do right now is win the hearts and minds of the Latino community by buying them off with this bill. It's a disgrace.

EXACTLY. To just legalize everyone is a slap in the face of every law abiding immigrant that came over and stood in line, paid the fees and got in legally. What a cop out. I wish I could pick what laws I wanted to abide by! I work with a guy who came over from Ireland 5 years ago and went through the legal procedures. He is more offended by this law then I am.

And, for Christ's sake, if you are trying to even make a case for your illegal ass to be here, don't walk on a protest carrying another nation's flag.

What they should do, instead of running away from their own country, is try to fix what's wrong with it.

[Jeremy]

Originally Posted by revefsreleets

And how exactly do we arrest 20,000,000 people and send them home? And how will we pay for it? And who will take the yucky jobs that these people do? And how will we keep more from coming in while we are busy getting rid of the ones who are here now? And what do we do if 20,000,000 people start rioting? Shoot them? Barring shooting them, and not being able to ship them home, do we imprison them? If so, what do we do with our current prisoners?

I'd say it's pretty complicated.

Yes.

But it's good to see another member of society step forward and embrace their membership in the Bleeding Hearts Club.

[revefsreleets]

That's the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart in my life. And why? I guess because I don't think seeing 20,000,000 people shot just because they are different is such a great idea.

I'm too new to cause any trouble, but I still think this is way too complicated for any quick and easy solution.

[Hammer67]

Originally Posted by revefsreleets

That's the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart in my life. And why? I guess because I don't think seeing 20,000,000 people shot just because they are different is such a great idea.

I'm too new to cause any trouble, but I still think this is way too complicated for any quick and easy solution.

Kind of drastic to shoot them...I highly doubt that would fit into any modern democracy's solutions. But, to award them for braking the law while law abiding citizens and immigrants are doing things the right way is perposterous. You can't just pick and choose which laws to abide by. If that were the case, I would be smoking a joint right now.