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Old 08-02-2007, 07:06 AM   #31
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Most people are saying that Willie is the worst starting RB in the AFC North, bullcrap, he's either the best or 2nd best, pending Willis McGahee.
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Seriously, is this 'most people you have talked to in the last 5 minutes' (ie one person)?

I would be hard pushed to find anyone who thinks Willie is the worst RB in the AFCN.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:04 PM   #32
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normally i don't take that crap, but it's just that rudi johnson is overrated by analysts, and the brown loving analysts think jamal is gonna save them, and willis mcgahee, god, everyone won't just leave my posts alone w/o pointing something wrong with them
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:43 PM   #33
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Seriously, is this 'most people you have talked to in the last 5 minutes' (ie one person)?

I would be hard pushed to find anyone who thinks Willie is the worst RB in the AFCN.
Yeah I haven't heard anyone making the argument that Parker is the worst back in the AFCN. i dont think Clowns fans would try to push this.
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Old 08-02-2007, 10:32 PM   #34
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Nope... He doesn't have the speed for the deep threat... Which is the one the one thing that holds him back from being in highest echelon of receivers.

Hines can compensate though... because his blocking on a strong running team is needed more then his speed for a deep threat.
Preach I usually agree with you, but not this time - the greatest receiver in the history of the game ran 4.7/4.8 40 - if all you are looking for is speed - than rocket ismail and randy moss are your guys - I will take a deep posession receiver that knows what to do with the ball after the catch and blocks like a pulling guard over a speed guy any day - Hines Ward should be the standard all other receivers are measured against - Chad Johnson and TJ whosyourmama or whatever are punks compared to Ward...
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Preach I usually agree with you, but not this time - the greatest receiver in the history of the game ran 4.7/4.8 40 - if all you are looking for is speed - than rocket ismail and randy moss are your guys - I will take a deep posession receiver that knows what to do with the ball after the catch and blocks like a pulling guard over a speed guy any day - Hines Ward should be the standard all other receivers are measured against - Chad Johnson and TJ whosyourmama or whatever are punks compared to Ward...
Maybe I should have been more specific. I was only referring to your statement that Ward is the MOST COMPLETE wide out in the NFL. Since blocking is secondary to the position (it is a plus for most teams, not what they keep or cut a player for), it is not as important as some other aspects of the game. Thus, I couldn't put Ward as the MOST COMPLETE wide out. However, if I were to start a team, who would I want as my first choice? Hines. Why? Not because he is the most complete, but because he has the most heart and I would TRUST the most.
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