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Old 09-13-2007, 03:54 PM   #41
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Dogfighting is part of his culture. Yes, it is illegal, but Vick is black and famous. That makes him a target for racist law enforcement. The local police should be handling this, not the feds. Whats worse is that the NFL has suspended him and he lost his endorsements. How is he supposed to make a living? I hope he gets probation, and the NFL reinstates him. If that happens I will be laughing at you when he is winning Super Bowls with his new team. With faith in Jesus I'm sure Michael can get through this.
Mr. Socks - If you think Michael Vick will be winning Super Bowls with his new team your faith in the ability of Jesus to perform miracles is strong indeed.

As for your concerns about Senor Mexico earning a living, his meals & lodging will be covered in prison, after which I am confident his talents will provide numerous oppportunities to secure gainful employment in the food service, janitorial, or waste management industries.
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:19 PM   #42
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Dogfighting is part of his culture. Yes, it is illegal, but Vick is black and famous. That makes him a target for racist law enforcement. The local police should be handling this, not the feds. Whats worse is that the NFL has suspended him and he lost his endorsements. How is he supposed to make a living? I hope he gets probation, and the NFL reinstates him. If that happens I will be laughing at you when he is winning Super Bowls with his new team. With faith in Jesus I'm sure Michael can get through this.
I'd like to believe that our society has evolved. Critical thinking, including problem solving and knowing what is viewed as right from wrong, comes from education and common sense.

Vick has absolutely no excuse! He attended college, and is part of a league that has recently made things crystal clear on their personal conduct rules. The behaviour of many NFL players, and those consequences, should have served Vick as a deterent to his violations. He bought property, purposefully built a hidden dog training area, bought dogs for only one reason - killing, participated in the training, assessment, and killing of dogs (one at a time he participated in electrocuting a dog, drowning a dog while it was alive) who chose not to kill others, arranged a gambling ring to profit from the killings, knowing all along that this was illegal! Once caught, he lied to the police, the feds, the commissioner of the NFL (face to face), the Falcons team owner, and to all his fans. This is a long process with malice aforethought! He repeated his actions for many years!

This is a person who knew he was wrong, that's why he hid that area of his property, then blamed it on his family for taking advantage! He doesn't even care about his own family! What an ASS! Again, there is no excuse!

Is it cultural to lie, cheat and then kill, watch more killings, lie more, blame your family, and lie again to your boss and the police? Hell no!

I see two years in prison, two years suspension from the NFL, once he gets out, then he must apply for reinstatement, with proven behavioral changes prior to playing again. Then any team who takes a chance on him will be tarnished. Make him play in the CFL, or earn his living some other way, like a common criminal.

Our society has laws. Vick must obey them! We all have choices in life, and he made multiple decisions to do wrong! The consequences are for his repeated actions, and his personal choices. He may be getting off easily campared to those actions!
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I know that it is easy to get down on someone that is in trouble like he is. Now, I am a father of 2 wonderful children, but ya know something? There is something wrong with our nation that takes dogfighting this serious and there are people out here every day that kill or beat their children and they dont get more than 2 years... whats up with that? There is a man down in S.C. recently here had shaken his child to death and he got 2 Freekin' Years!!!!!!! And someone kills a dog... or 3 or whatever and he is getting just almost the same punishment!!! What is up with our justice system?
What A Joke... Vick would have gotten off cheaper killing a child than he will for killing some stupid dogs...
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I know that it is easy to get down on someone that is in trouble like he is. Now, I am a father of 2 wonderful children, but ya know something? There is something wrong with our nation that takes dogfighting this serious and there are people out here every day that kill or beat their children and they dont get more than 2 years... whats up with that? There is a man down in S.C. recently here had shaken his child to death and he got 2 Freekin' Years!!!!!!! And someone kills a dog... or 3 or whatever and he is getting just almost the same punishment!!! What is up with our justice system?
What A Joke... Vick would have gotten off cheaper killing a child than he will for killing some stupid dogs...
The system is jacked, especially if a child killer only gets two years! You cannot argue that the punishment for various crimes should, and has only been in few cases, revised to reflect our current values as a society!

But that does not mean that Vick should get less than two years for his actions! And they are far from "stupid dogs". Re-read my post on the things Vick did wrong. This is not a case of only killing dogs.

I am a father as well, and own dogs. It does not have to be one vs the other here. A childs life is very precious, and they are so innocent. You cannot ever replace a child!
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Dogfighting is part of his culture. Yes, it is illegal, but Vick is black and famous. That makes him a target for racist law enforcement. The local police should be handling this, not the feds. Whats worse is that the NFL has suspended him and he lost his endorsements. How is he supposed to make a living? I hope he gets probation, and the NFL reinstates him. If that happens I will be laughing at you when he is winning Super Bowls with his new team. With faith in Jesus I'm sure Michael can get through this.
So, by this argument, you are saying that if a KKK member lynched a black man, he deserves special consideration because "It's part of his culture"? Perhaps we should be concerned about that Klan members well being, too? Laughable.

First off, Mike Vick already made more money than probably any 20 posters here will make in their whole lives combined, and he made that money by playing the QB position poorly, and by being a horrible human being off the field. Secondly....oh, wait. I've been had. This isn't real. My bad. I actually thought you were serious until I read the Jesus stuff at the end. That in and of itself I can see, but altogether? Only way a serious poster posts this is if they are in 3rd grade.
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Some great posts here - unfortunately the target of your justifiable ire is no longer with us.

Bobbysox was a previously banned member who tried to sneak back.

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"How is he supposed to make a living?"

By asking me if I would like fries with that.
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