Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2014 Goal: $450.00 - To Date: $450.00 (100.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Steelers Football > Pittsburgh Steelers


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-18-2007, 08:17 AM   #11
revefsreleets
Living Legend
 
revefsreleets's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Akron, Ohio Home of LeBron James
Posts: 15,403
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5353
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

The screen pass is, in many ways, just a glorified rushing play. You move the running back out into space and hope you trap some of the defenders around the los. The Steelers also run a lot of screens to the WR which is also the same principle. One of the guys I was watching the game with commented that he hates when we run the bubble screen to Ward. But the thing is, these plays are almost always successful, sometimes remarkably successful.
__________________
Official Steelersfever Arians Nuthugger
revefsreleets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 08:54 AM   #12
Mosca
Team President
Supporter
 
Mosca's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mountain Top, PA
Posts: 2,397
Gender: Male
Member Number: 1751
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 12+88=6 View Post
i'd just like to see some new plays. whatever it takes to get the ball to willie more, especially in open space.

Almost the entire playbook is new. But there are only so many holes to go through, directions to run, places to throw, pass patterns that make sense. A play might look the same, but the blocking is completely different. And how many different ways are there to go off tackle, over the guard, or around the end?

And how many plays get run in a game? How many different formations and plays can you use that make sense for the score and the time and the down and distance?

Each tight end caught at least one pass Sunday, and 9 different receivers were utilized. Parker got his hundred yards both games; so he's definitely getting the ball plenty. We are using lots of different formations this year; we've spread, we've boxed, we even threw a touchdown pass out of the 3 tight end formation on Sunday.

People forget Bettis got stacked up at the goal line, three straight, his share of times. And Franco. And Rocky, and Bam, and Foster.

Would a 10 yard screen to Davenport have been a 25 yard screen to Parker? Not necessarily. Davenport's presence doesn't signal the possibility of a screen as much as Parker's, which increases the probability of success.

No matter what you do, if it's going to be successful it's going to look like football. We concentrate on putting the plays with best possibility for success on the field based on the situation, and we try to create matchups in personnel that maximize that possibility. If it seems routine, it's because it is; there are no magic bullets, no amazing undefendable plays. Sometimes you just line up your guys and they line up their guys and you hit each other and see who wins, because for that situation that's your best shot at success.


Tom

Last edited by Mosca; 09-18-2007 at 09:11 AM.
Mosca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 11:41 AM   #13
Polly
Water Boy
 
Polly's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 33
Member Number: 6931
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

They always seem to run them on 3rd and long or just hand it to the back. And the reason davenport gets them is because hes our 3rd down back. What I would like to see is more screens to wideouts, the screens to hines ward I loved, if they can get heath miller ward and holmes on one side and set up a screen for holmes, that would be lethal.

The reason you see them, by the way, is because were up such a large margin and they are high-percentage throws, so you can get the first down and if you dont, you can milk the clock, win-win situation. You would probably see them less often if we were down
Polly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 11:55 AM   #14
Kvnfaber
Bench Warmer
 
Kvnfaber's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Warren, OH
Posts: 230
Gender: Male
Member Number: 6695
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

I think the main reason you have people that complain about screens is this:

Many times when the Steelers run a screen play, the down is 3rd and very long.

You see them throw a nice screen play for 10 yards on 3rd and 17 and you think man, why did they run a screen? I personally love the screen play, just for the fact that it gets our RB's out in the open field and able to do some things that they normally can't on a handoff. It is however a letdown when it is run on a 3rd and long play and doesn't get the job done. You have to think of the screen in different lights. It not only makes the defense think about catching FWP out on the edges, but also slows their rush up, and spreads their defense out.

If I have any beef with the Steelers and the Screen play it would be to run it on downs where it may be least expected (short yardage early downs maybe), but I'm not gonna complain when we have started out the year the way we have. I'm sure we'll see some big screen plays to Willie, and Najeh before this year is over.
Kvnfaber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 11:59 AM   #15
CanadianSteel
Team Captain
 
CanadianSteel's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 787
Gender: Male
Member Number: 6555
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

Agree its nice to see "screens" once again becoming an important part of the Steeler offense. The Bills actually did play them quite well for the most part .

Hopefully we will call one at the excatly right time versus the niner defense on Sunday and see a huge gainer. If Parker can get by the first wave on a screen he could be deadly !
CanadianSteel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 03:40 PM   #16
vasteeler
Team President
 
vasteeler's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: richmond va
Posts: 2,410
Gender: Male
Member Number: 3341
Thanks: 862
Thanked 1,157 Times in 456 Posts
My Mood: Yeehaw
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosca View Post
Almost the entire playbook is new. But there are only so many holes to go through, directions to run, places to throw, pass patterns that make sense. A play might look the same, but the blocking is completely different. And how many different ways are there to go off tackle, over the guard, or around the end?

And how many plays get run in a game? How many different formations and plays can you use that make sense for the score and the time and the down and distance?

Each tight end caught at least one pass Sunday, and 9 different receivers were utilized. Parker got his hundred yards both games; so he's definitely getting the ball plenty. We are using lots of different formations this year; we've spread, we've boxed, we even threw a touchdown pass out of the 3 tight end formation on Sunday.

People forget Bettis got stacked up at the goal line, three straight, his share of times. And Franco. And Rocky, and Bam, and Foster.

Would a 10 yard screen to Davenport have been a 25 yard screen to Parker? Not necessarily. Davenport's presence doesn't signal the possibility of a screen as much as Parker's, which increases the probability of success.

No matter what you do, if it's going to be successful it's going to look like football. We concentrate on putting the plays with best possibility for success on the field based on the situation, and we try to create matchups in personnel that maximize that possibility. If it seems routine, it's because it is; there are no magic bullets, no amazing undefendable plays. Sometimes you just line up your guys and they line up their guys and you hit each other and see who wins, because for that situation that's your best shot at success.


Tom
B...E...A utiful
vasteeler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 03:48 PM   #17
LVSteelersfan
Living Legend
 
LVSteelersfan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 3,541
Gender: Male
Member Number: 6620
Thanks: 7
Thanked 487 Times in 341 Posts
My Mood: Yeehaw
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

I like the idea of the screen pass but I did not think they were that successful with it for big yardage. It just seems that we are always out of sync on the screen plays. I would love to see them get the ball to Parker in space as he will torch other teams. But it seems like the screens are too easy for the other team to decipher so far.
__________________

COACH - Breakfast of Champions !!!
LVSteelersfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 05:52 PM   #18
revefsreleets
Living Legend
 
revefsreleets's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Akron, Ohio Home of LeBron James
Posts: 15,403
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5353
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw to many screens?

Great points all. It's also important to realize that along with the draw out of a spread formation, the screen on 3rd and long is a conservative way to legitimately try to pick up a big chuck of yardage with little risk of turning the ball over. If you notice, these calls are always made when we are on our own side of the field. Since the Steelers are always going to play conservatively and depend on superior defense, it makes sense to stick to this gameplan.
__________________
Official Steelersfever Arians Nuthugger
revefsreleets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2007, 11:18 PM   #19
SteelerManiacXLII
Banned
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle
Posts: 65
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5694
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Do the Steelers throw too many screens?

2-0! If it aint broke dont fix it.

Here we go Steelers here we go!!!!!!!!!
SteelerManiacXLII is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts