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Old 09-18-2007, 08:54 PM   #21
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The Bengals problems are on defense...it's not like the whole team is melting down....but their defense is indeed horrible.


I'll give you the defense for sure, but offense? C'mon, man.
Carson Palmer > Ben Roethlisberger
Jeremi Johnson > Carey Davis
Rudi Johnson < Willie Parker
Levi Jones > Marvel Smith
Stacey Andrews < Alan Faneca
Eric Ghiaciuc > Sean Mahan
Bobbie Williams < Kendall Simmons
Willie Anderson > Willie Colon
Reggie Kelly < Heath Miller
Chad Johnson > Hines Ward
TJ Houshmandzadeh > Santonio Holmes

That's 7 Bengals and 4 Steelers.
QB - When they are at their best, your opinion on starting quarterback is laughable. Palmer = Stats. Ben = wins. Ben wins.

HB - Parker hands down

FB - Hmm... Johnson has the blocking edge over Davis, but Kreider is a top 5 pure blocking fullback EASY. Kreider beats out both of them as a blocker.

WR - Stats = Johnson. Blocking, tough catches, YAC = Hines. If you like stats and only big plays Johnson is your guy... me? I’ll take the better all around player any day. Winner = Hines. Holmes has more upside than Douschmanzada has letters in his name. Winner = Holmes.

Tackle could go either way, Smith is a better run blocker - Don't even try and argue that point, unless you study film like I do (usually, haven't done so much this season due to bad competition) you wouldn't catch the difference. Jones is a better pass blocker by a bit, who you want depends on your offensive philosophy.

Faneca could coach the Bengals guards.

Simmons wins easy.

Mahan isn't far off, but just from an experience standpoint - Ghiaciuc wins.

Reggie Kelly doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Heath Miller. Miller wins... Probably Spaeth and Tuman as well.

So let’s see... It all comes down to this...

Stats = Bengals, Rings = Steelers.
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:09 PM   #22
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Stats = Bengals, Rings = Steelers.
Well said...
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:57 PM   #23
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A Super Bowl winning QB without Pro Bowl honors vs. a Pro Bowl QB without a Super Bowl ring. Enough said.
Anyone outside of the Steeler nation would laugh at that logic. I guess Ben Roethlisberger is better than Dan Marino and Peyton Manning before last season too?

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You're kidding, right?
What? I said Heath Miller is better than Reggie Kelly...do you not agree?

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CJ can't smell where Hines shit last. Hines will be wearing a REAL HOF jacket one day. CJ will still be wearing his replica.
CJ is arguably the best wide receiver in the league right now...Hines is great, don't get me wrong, but Chad gets the edge.
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I guess Ben Roethlisberger is better than Dan Marino and Peyton Manning before last season too?
Nope, but neither is Palmer, and you're the one being a delusional homer if you think he is.
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CJ is arguably the best wide receiver in the league right now...Hines is great, don't get me wrong, but Chad gets the edge.
i would take a healthy moss over chad any day. it really comes down to whether you prefer a prick or a douchebag on your team. after that, i dont even put johnson in the same conversation as s. smith, m. harrison, t. holt, T.O. or hines. of course they can come up big when it counts.

a. johnson, l. fitzgerald, r. williams would leave johnson in the dust with a complete offense (or even a team that could manage going 8-8 three out of the 4 past years.

that aside, all educated bungle fans have a right to be pissed at marv. not only did he treat the media as idiots, he treated the whole fan base as idiots, after all the media is link between the team and the fans.

its all about accountability. i had to listen to the pittsburgh media grill tomlin for not throwing a flag on a questionable play and for having to use all 3 time outs in the 1st half of last sundays games.

granted tomlin will never face the tough questions lewis or belichick have had to face in the past week, but its nice to know they wouldnt be dodged, and he would be accountable, if ever put in that position.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:53 AM   #26
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that aside, all educated bungle fans have a right to be pissed at marv. not only did he treat the media as idiots, he treated the whole fan base as idiots, after all the media is link between the team and the fans.
Believe it or not (and yeah......I know it's hard to believe ) the fan base is supporting Marvin. The radio jocks had people calling in all day saying how great they still think ole Marv is. Sounds like the media is the only one with any brains in this town. (besides us Steelers fans)
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For five years, Marvin Lewis has been the beneficiary of fawning local media, yours truly included. A 12-year Bengals beatdown before Lewis arrived made those of us who survived it grateful for small favors, such as the miracle of 8-8. This ain?t New York or Philly. Marvin?s had it easy around here.

For that, we get this, on Monday:

?I tell (players) all the time, ?Don?t try to explain it to (media), because (media) won?t understand it?,? Lewis said.

No, probably not. Football is a game for scholars. Here?s something else that escaped the stupid media?s grasp, and maybe yours, too:

How a guy with three career starts at quarterback could tear up the Bengals defense for three and a half quarters. How a Cleveland team a few bad plays from Three Mile Island could drop a 51-45 embarrassment on Marvin?s Bengals. And why, week after year, we try to make sense of the lame and the obvious:

?We just have to play better? is frequently paired with ?We just have to keep playing? and is often followed by ?we?re going to move forward.?

Those answers might insult the media?s intelligence. If we had any.

Look: I like Lewis as much as anyone. He?s done a good job here. Given the organization for which he works, he?s done a very good job. But treating the fawning media like a footwipe isn?t necessary, OK?

Some coaches play the media like a Gibson Les Paul. (See: Kelly, Brian.) Some coaches use their media sessions like couch trips. (See: Huggins, Bob, and Piniella, Lou.) Some use them to send messages to their players. Jack McKeon did that. Marvin Lewis considers dealing with the media en masse a waste of time, like trying to teach Spanish to an English muffin.

Fair enough. But dealing with us dull-normal media dopes is part of the job description. Why not make the best of it?

I wanted to know Monday what is the biggest reason players make mental errors. An OK inquiry, from an idiot media guy, if only because we?ve heard about mental errors since, well, since the Bengals lost the ?88 Super Bowl. It seems to me that people making mental errors might, at some point, learn to make fewer of them or, at some other point, get canned, so that the incredibly complicated game of football might proceed with fewer mental errors.

But what do I know?

Lewis answered my inane question by saying his players stopped doing their own jobs and started freelancing. Actually, he said, they were attempting to ?invent and create a revision. We?re trying to overcome someone else?s deficiencies.? The key, the coach said, was to ?not try and deviate to try and compensate.?

I took my thick self to John Thornton, armed with the same bad question.

?Mental errors come in when people get rattled and forget what they?ve learned. When games get tough, you need the ability to settle down,? the Bengals defensive tackle said. ?All we had to do Sunday was settle down, instead of worrying about what just happened. I mean, who cares? We still had a chance. A lot of people just sort of lost it mentally.?

Same question, Bryan Robinson:

?You should know where you need to be,? said Robinson. ?It?s pretty simple. You have a gap, you stay in your gap. You don?t do another guy?s job. They say there is no bad call, just bad execution. Yesterday, that was true.?

There you have it. What it came down to Sunday was not a bad game plan or calling the wrong defense or Fire Chuck Bresnahan. It was players who allowed the heretofore lousy Cleveland offense to beat them and rattle them and cause them to do things they shouldn?t do. Play properly the defense that?s called, and Derek Anderson doesn?t mess with you like you?re a third-teamer.

That?s my take. Believe what you want. I really don?t understand much.
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Ok seriously. Is anyone surprised by this? Im not. Its Marvin Lewis...the master of passing on the blame. Not once has he said anything is his fault. And personally I think he passes that down to his players. After all look at Palmer after they got beat by the Ravens last year in Baltimore with his 'We are the better team' comment. It all starts with the head coach and trickles down. Whether it be class or something else.

Just remember....Crap rolls down hill and in Marvins case it seems like he is the one at the top pushing it.
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:58 AM   #28
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Lets also not forget that Lewis's drafts have also been less than steller. A few more years of thugs and maybe one quality-character, talented player every two years will bring this team crashing to the ground.

If I'm not mistaken Lebeau drafted...Chad Johnson....T.J. Houshmandzadeh....Rudi Johnson....Justin Smith....Levi Jones...

Lebeau also stated that he was prepared to draft Carson Palmer with the 1st pick in 2003....Make no mistake about it...It was Lebeau who gave them the building blocks to at least be competitive even though Lewis is more than happy to let the Bungal-peasants bow at his feet and kiss the royal hand.
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Hey! I said issues aside. So toss out the retarded thug Johnson and his tutor and handler TJ. The oline in Cincy is wildly overrated, with only Willie Anderson possibly living up to the hype. Jeremi Johnson over Carey Davis? Sure (chuckling) you can have that one LOL. And I'm not so sure about Carson over Ben, either. I don't think Palmer is a good fit for the Steelers, but I think Ben could play in any system. Regardless, I don't think you'll find many Steelers fans who would be willing to trade any more than one or two players for what the Bengals have. On defense? Fugetaboutit!
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Anyone outside of the Steeler nation would laugh at that logic. I guess Ben Roethlisberger is better than Dan Marino and Peyton Manning before last season too?


What? I said Heath Miller is better than Reggie Kelly...do you not agree?


CJ is arguably the best wide receiver in the league right now...Hines is great, don't get me wrong, but Chad gets the edge.
No he is not better than either of them (yet). But he is better than Palmer if you want to win. Ben can win games that Palmer only puts up big stats in (Bengals VS Browns anyone???)...

She was laughing at the fact that there was even enough competition to mention Kelly I think lol....

I can name about 10 receivers before Johnson that I would rather have. He had a few drops in your last game, isn't a sound run blocker, talks up his play way higher than it actually is, gets injured (Or nearly) injured too often. I would always take the better all around player over the better pass catcher. Even if we were strictly debating the route running/pass catching part of the position Randy Moss is a better player right now.

Like I said above... No matter what you are debating about Steelers/Bengals it always comes down to...

Bengals = Stats, Steelers = Rings. End of story.
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