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Old 09-19-2007, 09:00 AM   #31
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Anyone outside of the Steeler nation would laugh at that logic. I guess Ben Roethlisberger is better than Dan Marino and Peyton Manning before last season too?
Don't put words in my mouth, CS - I didn't say that. I was making a comparison between Ben and Cartoon and my opinion on that comparison stands.

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What? I said Heath Miller is better than Reggie Kelly...do you not agree?
My eyes deceived me in viewing your original post, CS. My apologies.

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CJ is arguably the best wide receiver in the league right now...Hines is great, don't get me wrong, but Chad gets the edge.
CJ may be the biggest assclown in the league, but those not on the Bungle bandwagon would disagree with you. Yes - Hines is great and there is no way in hell that CJ is in the "great" category. CJ is good for some laughs every season when the Bungles play the Steelers, though - talking all of that pre-game trash about how he's going to burn our secondary, only to get owned and bitch slapped around again.

Actually, I believe IBoinkedMarv'sMama is the better of the two receivers, but I still don't put him anywhere near Hines' status as a wideout.

CJ and TJ (don't ya just wanna honk their noses?) :

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Old 09-19-2007, 09:32 AM   #32
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No he is not better than either of them (yet). But he is better than Palmer if you want to win. Ben can win games that Palmer only puts up big stats in (Bengals VS Browns anyone???)...
Ben can win games because he actually has a defense. It should never be a quarterback's fault that a team loses a game when he throws 6 touchdown passes.

Are you saying that if Ben played for the Bengals, he would have been able to improve on a 113.4 rating, 401 yards, and 6 touchdowns and single-handedly win that game?

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I can name about 10 receivers before Johnson that I would rather have. He had a few drops in your last game, isn't a sound run blocker, talks up his play way higher than it actually is, gets injured (Or nearly) injured too often. I would always take the better all around player over the better pass catcher. Even if we were strictly debating the route running/pass catching part of the position Randy Moss is a better player right now.
I just don't get it...Chad isn't an elite receiver because of his antics? Let's put out the facts here...he's led the AFC in receiving yard the past 4 years, he led the entire NFL in receiving yards last year, and he's already leading the NFL in receiving yards through 2 games this season.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chad doesn't have a ring...but Chad also doesn't have a complete team to back him up.
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:44 AM   #33
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Bottom line:

Ben= Great QB
Carson= Great QB
Ward=Elite Overachiever
Chad=Extremely talented self-promotor

Marvin Lewis=Overrated arrogant hypocrite.

'nuff said...
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Old 09-19-2007, 09:55 AM   #34
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Lets make it simple.



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Old 09-19-2007, 09:55 AM   #35
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Bottom line:

Ben= Great QB
Carson= Great QB
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Chad=Extremely talented self-promotor

Marvin Lewis=Overrated arrogant hypocrite.

'nuff said...
Eh, I can live with that assessment.
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:22 AM   #36
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Ben can win games because he actually has a defense. It should never be a quarterback's fault that a team loses a game when he throws 6 touchdown passes.

Are you saying that if Ben played for the Bengals, he would have been able to improve on a 113.4 rating, 401 yards, and 6 touchdowns and single-handedly win that game?
uh yeah! do you really think carson palmer is the only qb in the nfl skilled enough to play arena ball?

heres a clue. arena football is the minors.

ben esilly went out and threw 4 tds against the same browns in a little over 3 quarters of work.

the previous time ben played the browns he hung 224 and 3 tds on them in the 4th quarter alone! .

ben has 1 int on the season, and carson had 2 in that game alone.

theres all the proof you need that ben couldve increased carsons passer rating, chuck it for multiple td's, and still win the game single handedly.
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uh yeah! do you really think carson palmer is the only qb in the nfl skilled enough to play arena ball?

heres a clue. arena football is the minors.

ben esilly went out and threw 4 tds against the same browns in a little over 3 quarters of work.

the previous time ben played the browns he hung 224 and 3 tds on them in the 4th quarter alone! .

ben has 1 int on the season, and carson had 2 in that game alone.

theres all the proof you need that ben couldve increased carsons passer rating, chuck it for multiple td's, and still win the game single handedly.
You're right...Ben's 161 passing yards and 52% completion percentage are just too overwhelming.
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You're right...Ben's 161 passing yards and 52% completion percentage are just too overwhelming.
I wouldnt use stats to back your claim because the bottom line will ALWAYS come back to:

Ben: 2-0
Carson: 1-1
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You're right...Ben's 161 passing yards and 52% completion percentage are just too overwhelming.
bens last 4 quarters vs. browns- 385 yds 7td

face it. when carson was given the opportunity to put together a game winning drive against the lowly browns, he threw it away in the form of a game ending interception.

facts are facts.
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IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THIS -

Carson Palmer historically fails in game winning drives. Ben historically wins in game winning drives.

Bengals = Stats - Steelers = Rings.
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