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Old 09-27-2007, 10:02 AM   #11
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Default Re: Prosecutors to seek indictments on vick

Dan's right....Poindexter is tilting at windmills right now because he's embarrassed at how sorry a job the local authorities did on the whole matter. They came across as bumbling, provincial, and small-town, and Poindexter is smarting from it. He seems to think that these indictments give him credibility. Glad as I was to see Michael Vick punished for such an awful crime, this new round of charges smells of piling on.

That said, the Virginia indictments are focusing on the animal abuse aspect of the crime, where the federal indictments focused on the gambling and interstate commerce aspects. Animal abuse is a serious crime in Virginia, hence the possibility (but definitely not the likelihood) that Vick could face five years in prison for each count of cruelty and torture.

I agree with Dan. I'd be surprised to see Vick serve any jail time beyond his federal sentence, although that sentence will probably be extended in light of the failed drug test.

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Old 09-27-2007, 11:37 AM   #12
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With the extra year suspension that Odel Thurman got from Goodell there is no way Vick will be back until atleast 2010 although I'm still pulling for never. People want to say that their just making an example of Vick, All I have to say to that is OK not a problem for me infact I'm happy they are it's about time they make an example of one of these rich spoiled athletes that think they are untouchable.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:46 AM   #13
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With the extra year suspension that Odel Thurman got from Goodell there is no way Vick will be back until atleast 2010 although I'm still pulling for never. People want to say that their just making an example of Vick, All I have to say to that is OK not a problem for me infact I'm happy they are it's about time they make an example of one of these rich spoiled athletes that think they are untouchable.
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:04 PM   #14
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Michael vick isn't sorry for what he did. I sat there and watched his pathetic press conference right after his guilty plea and could have laughed. I couldnt believe that people believed his b.s. script that day. I'm sure he hit the bong on his way home from that press conference. I hope roger goodell never gives this idiot another chance to play another snap in the nfl. send him to canada
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:07 PM   #15
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He probably hit the bong before the press confrence. He also was probably trippin' on acid when he "found God" or atleast he thought he found God it was actually a homeless guy out side of the courthouse.
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:11 PM   #16
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there is a part of me that wants to feel bad for vick after saying the espn town meeting specail on vick.

But then again after he just got tested postive for marjuna you think he would be on his best behivor but no

will he ever learn
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As stupid and diserving as Vick is, I'm not a fan of the government double dipping. I think if the Feds run a case against you it should cover all charges and the state should not be able to indict for charges similar or involving the same crime.
Agree...in fact I'm not a fan of the feds being involved in criminal justice. There's that little thing called the Constitution.
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Agree...in fact I'm not a fan of the feds being involved in criminal justice. There's that little thing called the Constitution.
Who would you suggest criminally prosecute defrauding the Pentagon, ripping off Medicare, international drug trafficking, espionage, and engaging in securities fraud - Poindexter and Marcia Clark?

If you engage in criminal activity that affects interstate commerce the Constitution provides for federal authority to regulate the activity under the Commerce Clause. If you have 50 States all attempting to get a piece of an interstate crime you get chaos and (for major white collar crimes) economic inefficiencies. (e.g. - remember the Sopranos episode when the local prosecutor who tried to nab Tony on the gun charge nearly screwed up the Feds RICO case?)

I agree whether dog fighting should be a federal crime is a legitimate policy issue and presents a significant question as to whether Congress should be passing criminal statutes on that matter.

Nevertheless, crooks attempting to avoid federal prosecution by saying a criminal statute is unconstitutional can argue the conduct does not impact interstate commerce but usually have not gone too far with that argument over the last 60 years with the Warren or Rehnquist Courts.

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I gotta agree... and think that the original founders never really envisioned this type of prosecution.
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I gotta agree... and think that the original founders never really envisioned this type of prosecution.
Maybe not, but they definitely envisioned slaves being counted as 3/5 of a person for purpose of the census.

I note that not to make tired claim about the inherent racism of the pale patriarchy but for the proposition that not every late 18th century mindset fits perfectly into a 21st century transcontinental, integrated nation state and that the meaning of the terms in the Constitution are not etched in the amber of how society operated in 1787. E.g. - the Founders certainly did not envision electronic communications but the 4th Amendment legitimately has expanded to cover a lot more than getting a warrant to search someone's home.
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