No asterisk necessary

[Lord Stiller]

Originally Posted by revefsreleets

But by that logic, EVERY super bowl is tainted, because the majority of players were using them. That levels the playing field. If Hank had used any or all of the cheats that Barry has (and I'm not sure he would have), then he might have hit 1000 HR's, because not only would he have enhanced hs already formidable p[ower, he would have also had his career artificially extended. My point is this:


Bonds-steroids=600-650 HR's tops.
Aaron-steroids=755 HR's

Conversely

Bonds+steroids=762 HR's
Aaron+steroids=850HR's? 900?

How do you know for sure that Aaron wasn't on steroids??

[revefsreleets]

I'd maybe buy that if anyone was using in baseball back then, or if he started out weiging 115 lbs, or if his head grew to 3X it's original size, etc, etc...It's funny that people are also ignoring all the players who played with him who flat out came out and said "Yes, it's obvious Barry started taking steroids".

Look, the bottom line is that only a very tiny percentage of people actually hold on to the hope that somehow Bonds just skipped a process that normally takes a million years and genetically mutated spontaneously or whatever fantastical excuse they have for what happened to him, but the rest of are just calling an ace an ace. The dude juiced, he artificially extended his career, and he set a record he would otherwise not been able to obtain. It's tainted by the majority of popular opinion, and that can't be debated.

[Crushzilla]

Originally Posted by revefsreleets

Look, the bottom line is that only a very tiny percentage of people actually hold on to the hope that somehow Bonds just skipped a process that normally takes a million years and genetically mutated spontaneously or whatever fantastical excuse they have for what happened to him, but the rest of are just calling an ace an ace. The dude juiced, he artificially extended his career, and he set a record he would otherwise not been able to obtain. It's tainted by the majority of popular opinion, and that can't be debated.

Yes. The majority does feel that way. I can't blame them. I really am not too sure myself. If he came out tomorrow and said, "I juiced all the time. It was great. My teammates helped. We made a day out of it." I would not be surprised at all.

That doesn't mean we can condemn him. It is UNJUST to brand this ball until that day. That cannot be argued.

[revefsreleets]

You aren't sure yourself of what? That he took steroids? Again, for all of you out there who contend that he didn't, what other explanation do you have for his unnatural growth? For his head blowing up? For 73 homers from a 50 HR a year guy? I really and truly would love to hear some alternate theory to explain all this.