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Old 05-02-2007, 05:36 PM   #131
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Default Re: Randy Moss To The Patriots?

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Anyone read this article by Michael Silver on SI yet? I'd love to hear people's thoughts---especially you LITP.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ots/index.html
despite the obvious venom silver has for moss, i thouroughly enjoyed the mud that was rightfully slung on the pats. he was spot on, and its refreshing to see even ex-patriot players agree with what ive been saying since 2002 about the pats and the false perception of them being such a "classy" franchise:

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It's hard to picture Moss not being motivated to be a good soldier in New England. If he shuts up and focuses and works hard for the next nine months, he may well end up celebrating a career resurrection, enjoying the fat contract that inevitably will follow and being re-branded as a champion who restored the Patriots' winning aura. If so, everyone will say and write that the Pats, because of their emphasis on character and integrity, were able to bring out the best in Moss, who was really just a misunderstood warrior all along.

And that, of course, will be complete and utter crap.

"I'm not mad that they did this," the former Patriots player said. "I'm mad that for all these years, when everyone wrote that their values were different, they ate it up. They're no different than anyone else, and they never were. We had a run, and the rest is just propaganda.

"I bought into all that stuff about the 'Patriot Way,' and then when I went to [a new team], I was blown away by how loudly guys outside of the organization shot it down. They'd say, 'You guys don't do s--- different -- you've just got Tom Brady.' I argued with them at first, but looking back, there was no lower percentage of jackasses there than on any other team. Some of the guys they drafted, even in early rounds, were selfish and unreliable and horrible to have around."
the biggest thing i have always disliked about the patriots (and why i dont slobber all over them) is the inferiority complex theyve always shown about "the lack of respect". this led to the inventions and propoganda sivler comments on about it not being enough for them to win 3 sb's in 4 years. they had to be the "classiest" ones to do it. or they had to be "the greatest dynasty of all time. most football diehards see right through this. as does former patriot players themselves.

the best lines of the whole article?-

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Either way, can we all agree to put away the harps and halos when we celebrate the Patriots' imminent triumphs?

As the former Pats player concluded, "When we were winning championships, it wasn't just that we were good -- it had to be that we were smarter, more principled and more virtuous than everybody else. And now that I've thought it through, I don't understand why. Look, they have a great owner and a brilliant coach; they evaluate players well, and they have Tom Brady. Why can't that be enough?"

From now on, it'll have to be.
whats funny is theres plenty of players this unnamed source can be. i wouldnt be supprised if it was some of their biggest stars such as milloy, vinatieri, law, branch. im leaning towards vinatieri.
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Old 05-03-2007, 01:11 AM   #132
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Anyone read this article by Michael Silver on SI yet? I'd love to hear people's thoughts---especially you LITP.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ots/index.html
IMHO, Michael Silver is just another know-it-all blowhard whose vitriol (along with all the other crap in the publication he works for) I don't take seriously for a second. After all, he was crucified right here in these forums very recently (and rightfully so) for this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ter/index.html

To sum it up, staff writers like Silver are just another reason (among many) that I canceled my subscription to SI years ago.
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Old 05-05-2007, 07:13 AM   #133
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I don't remember old Lenny boy being quite so quick off the mark when it came to telling everyone how Mannings restructuring wouldn't cost him a penny.

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It was, of course, a selfless gesture by one of the NFL's classiest performers.

But while Brady was universally lauded, and justifiably so, people should know this: The reworking of the contract didn't cost Brady anything at the pay window. He still will earn the $6 million that is due him in 2007. Not a penny less.
Im trying to work out if Lenny is dumb enough to contradict himself in the space of two sentences or if he was experimenting with sarcasm with the opening sentence.

Brady doesn't deserve to be 'lauded' for anything simply because he doesn't lose a penny in real money.

As for the future cap hits - im quietly confident that that Patriots FO wont be turning round to each other with confused looks on their faces saying "we owe Brady howwww much?".

Honestly if the Patriots aren't portrayed as cheap money pinchers they are the portrayed as the the Washington Redskins MkII....hilarious.
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Old 05-06-2007, 05:46 PM   #134
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belichick said he envisions playing the role d. branch used to play and that moss will be required to learn all wr positions.

this is a recipe for disaster and mistake #1. moss needs to be handled with kid gloves and not have too much put on his plate. it might interfere with his off season "chronic" time.

there are 2 routes moss likes to run- the "dig", and the "post". if you keep it simple for him he can be great. dont make him be the "chris carter" of the offense, otherwise it wont work.

case in point is parcells actually expectin T. "i love me some me" O. to learn the whole playbook.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:29 AM   #135
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Well said.

For a copycat league its amazing how slow some other franchises are to catch on to this.

What you gain with output from Moss, you would probably lose in other areas he has an negative effect on.

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Seen you stroking your man in the Marvin Lewis thread. 180, would'nt you say litp. LOL
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Seen you stroking your man in the Marvin Lewis thread. 180, would'nt you say litp. LOL
I don't mind admitting Randy Moss has, so far, proven my worries about his 'personality' were off the mark.

By the same token, my main concern was of the 'trade value' put forward by the OP - a 1st round pick and our No.2 QB - I thought that was way too much and so it proved.

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To clarify further, it would be a huge risk for the Patriots, in my opinion, to trade away their only back-up QB and a 1st rounder to get Moss on board.
A 4th rounder was a much more acceptable risk.

I tend to trust the moves the Patriots FO make, bearing in mind their recent track record in personnel moves is second to none - as I stated in this very thread.

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I'd be excited to have Moss on the team, because that would mean the Patriots FO were confident he was the right man - howevere im far from convinced that is the case.
So, sure I was excited when I heard the trade news on the 2nd day of the draft - I thoght he would offer a nice variation to back teams off the LOS - I didn't really suspect that he would be by far the most impressive WR in the league by week 4.

I don't think I was alone there, though.
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pretty hilarious that this thread got a quite worthy bump.
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the best deep threat available is r. moss. the best player who could have the biggest impact in the pats offense is r. moss. the team who has the most to offer is the pats.

i'll just put this lesson on your tab.
hmmmm. and to think the tab for the lesson still hasnt been paid. go figure.

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As for your growing obsession about the Patriots requirement for a 'deep threat' .... I can't understand where you are getting it from.

You are the guy with the tired 'dink and dunk' schtick regarding Brady's successful passing offense - now you are telling us that because we have traded away a guy (who specialised in medium to short routes) we now suddenly have a burning need for a speedy deep threat?

Sorry, thats just illogical.


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what you call "obsession" and "schtick" and "illogical" is what we simply call football accumen and the elementary understanding of basic fundamentals and principals...

theres a trove of football knowledge in this thread. especially now that hardwork is gone. always entertaining to read his infinite words of wisdom though.

typical.
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