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Old 02-11-2008, 06:17 AM   #11
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Honestly I couldn't tell you if the mechanics of Ben's drop back are faulty or not? Maybe it could be improved, you would think that's something the Steelers staff would be trying to do if needed.

There's no question Ben takes too many sacks and hits. Part of it is Ben's intense desire to extend plays at all costs, sometimes to poor results. But for every time we cringe there's at least as many times that we're cheering as Ben's made a huge play out of potential disaster. Eli's desperation heave to David Tyree in the Super Bowl was reminscent of a Ben improvisation.

But getting back to the point, I think Ben probably could be coached up to take better drops, make better decisions etc... but you've got to be careful. If you get Ben thinking too much he might not be the dynamic playmaker that we've come to know and the Steelers need. Personally I think the answer lies more with improving the offensive line. I defy anyone to tell me that's not one of the worst pass blocking lines in the NFL, and I don't care who's standing behind them that wont change. Mahan and Simmons aren't NFL caliber starters. Colon might be, but would probably be better off at guard. And Marvel Smith isn't what he used to be or needs to be.

Can it be fixed in one offseason? Who knows, but it's certainly worth the effort. And time spent here would be much better rewarded in the end than tearing Ben down and trying to recreate him in Tom Brady's image.
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:33 AM   #12
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Honestly I couldn't tell you if the mechanics of Ben's drop back are faulty or not? Maybe it could be improved, you would think that's something the Steelers staff would be trying to do if needed.

There's no question Ben takes too many sacks and hits. Part of it is Ben's intense desire to extend plays at all costs, sometimes to poor results. But for every time we cringe there's at least as many times that we're cheering as Ben's made a huge play out of potential disaster. Eli's desperation heave to David Tyree in the Super Bowl was reminscent of a Ben improvisation.

But getting back to the point, I think Ben probably could be coached up to take better drops, make better decisions etc... but you've got to be careful. If you get Ben thinking too much he might not be the dynamic playmaker that we've come to know and the Steelers need. Personally I think the answer lies more with improving the offensive line. I defy anyone to tell me that's not one of the worst pass blocking lines in the NFL, and I don't care who's standing behind them that wont change. Mahan and Simmons aren't NFL caliber starters. Colon might be, but would probably be better off at guard. And Marvel Smith isn't what he used to be or needs to be.

Can it be fixed in one offseason? Who knows, but it's certainly worth the effort. And time spent here would be much better rewarded in the end than tearing Ben down and trying to recreate him in Tom Brady's image.
Great post zu and I couldn't agree more! You are absolutely right about exercising caution in trying to change Ben's "style", which could end up being detrimental in the long run. What works for one QB doesn't necessarily work for another and as long as Ben continues to be effective doing what he does, if he and Anderson are cool with it, I'm cool with it. I don't think there is a QB in the league who wouldn't be scrambling and running for his life behind our swiss cheese OL as it stands now.

My only disagreement with your post is that Mahan isn't an NFL calibre starter. He definitely isn't C material as was proven this past season, but he was a decent G in Tampa and I'd like to see what he can do at that position before throwing him off the bus. Some players can adjust to being switched around, but obviously Mahan isn't one of them.
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:45 AM   #13
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Getting back to Ben, his mechanics are a little unorthodox, but they work for him. Look at Favre. He has one of the most unconventional throwing motions I've ever seen, AND he repeatedly throws off his back foot which is a huge no-no. But it certainly works for him!
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:26 AM   #14
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As long as he doesn't throw INTs, he can do a back flip when he drops back for all I care.
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ben's throwing motion is the LEAST of our concerns this offseason.

the O-line need an overhaul just to make it average and the D-line has no depth. we could use a second RB also. i'm OK with CB and WR......for now.
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Eli's desperation heave to David Tyree in the Super Bowl was reminscent of a Ben improvisation.
i told my sister that eli must have been watching film on ben, on how to extend a play..lol
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Hey you can't blame him there, def. when your o-line gives around 1-2 seconds if he is lucky to make a play ha. Ben is used to scrammbling and moving around and thats what he likes to do.
He is no Peyton Manning or Brady(Pocket Passers), Ben makes plays on his feet and i think with a good or bad o-line thats the Ben we shall always see!
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It would be interesting to see a stat on how many of Ben's TD passes have come from out of the pocket or at least while on the move, rather than typical pocket passes. Not just for this year, since the line was so bad and he was often scrambling for his life, but overall for his career so far.

Did I mention - don't really have the time to look up this type of info
but would be interesting to see....
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It's because he's a F|_|Ckin badass. And who gives a shit how he drops back? Does it really matter? He's kind of good.
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During the regular season he was staggering backward because he was getting hit before he had the ball and in the Pro Bowl he was probably just astonished that he wasn't already laying on his back at the bottom of the pile.
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