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Old 02-21-2008, 08:16 PM   #21
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Despite the utter contempt I have for that franchise, I really do believe we lost the '04 AFCCG to a team who at the time was playing better than we were. The only reason we survived the divisional game against the Jets the week before is because their PK shanked not one, but TWO chip-shot FGs that would have won them the game. The 2004 team peaked in late October/early November and the team's overall quality of play tapered off big time after clobbering the Pats* and Eagles in successive weeks.
I agree that we peaked around the time of late October and early November, but what I saw all year long was that this team found ways to win. The only game I felt we were extremely lucky in was the Jets game because Ben was just not playing well that game.

If the Patriots did have film on the Steelers, it did tilt the game to their advantage. I just wanted to see an even playing field for both teams.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:14 PM   #22
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to be honest, it was mostly ben who fell off at the end of the year.. being that it was his rookie year, it was understandable. but i remember the defense played well throughout the entire season, up until the pats afccg of course. and bus was rolling on like never before.
I agree, but wasn't that pretty much the pattern for most of Cowher's tenure? The D and running game repeatedly carrying the team DEEP into the postseason only to have the QB screw things up when the stakes got to be their highest?
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:23 PM   #23
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I agree that we peaked around the time of late October and early November, but what I saw all year long was that this team found ways to win. The only game I felt we were extremely lucky in was the Jets game because Ben was just not playing well that game.

If the Patriots did have film on the Steelers, it did tilt the game to their advantage. I just wanted to see an even playing field for both teams.
The Pats had video of signals on everyone they played until they were caught in the 2007 season opener Jets game - Belicheat started taping in preseason of his first year as coach in 2000 and used preseason tape in the 2000 regular season opener (his first regular season game as HC coach) against Dungy's Tampa Bay

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/sp...tml?ref=sports

Belicheat was hooked on his crack pipe of taping
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:36 PM   #24
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Mike Martz wants the truth? "He can't handle the truth!"

Normally, that would be a joke, but I'm serious this time. Nobody seems willing to handle or actually accept the truth. It's potentially too damaging to a huge multi-billion dollar industry. Can it really be that an otherwise failure of a coach, a guy who ran the Browns into the ground and really only just knows a little about being a defensive coordinator could have made ALL of us look like fools simply by cheating? Year after year? Taken this sacred game we all love and shit on it so badly that it's possibly tarnished forever? Then callously and arrogantly parade his disdain for class and fair-play in front of us all only see his actions swept under the rug?

Hell, I'm not even sure I want to know the truth now.
I'm beginning to feel the same way, for the same reason. It's not just about one organization anymore.
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Old 02-22-2008, 01:07 AM   #25
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apparently their going to drop spygate...

karma is a bitch.. to all patriot fans prepare for it...
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:20 AM   #26
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Mike Martz wants the truth? "He can't handle the truth!"

Normally, that would be a joke, but I'm serious this time. Nobody seems willing to handle or actually accept the truth. It's potentially too damaging to a huge multi-billion dollar industry. Can it really be that an otherwise failure of a coach, a guy who ran the Browns into the ground and really only just knows a little about being a defensive coordinator could have made ALL of us look like fools simply by cheating? Year after year? Taken this sacred game we all love and shit on it so badly that it's possibly tarnished forever? Then callously and arrogantly parade his disdain for class and fair-play in front of us all only see his actions swept under the rug?

Hell, I'm not even sure I want to know the truth now.
You beat me to the punch, I was just thinking about that line, lol

As much as I'd like to see some of these people take a harsher stance against the patsies I'm pretty sure its not going to happen either due to the reasons already stated.

The good news is the media isn't going to let go of it and I still think things are going to get a lot worse for NE despite all the efforts of the league to make this go away.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:44 AM   #27
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Yes watching all the politiaclly correct comments coming form some of the owners and coaches is getting ridiculous. I am sure most of the players will tow the company line also.

Where is Joey Porter for a good soundbite when you need one..... ask Joey what he thinks about possibly being cheated.... Cheat this....

Hoping the media and Spector keep the heat on until the full truth is known.
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Here's what I DO want to see. I want to make sure it's over now. FOREVER. There is zero chance from here on out that Belichick can ever cheat again. And I want to see that franchise fall apart game by game, year by year...I want to see the teams they humiliated by cheating turn around and humiliate the Pats fairly and squarely. Miami 67-NE 3 sounds good to me.

Eff the Pats. They are the ebola virus of the NFL and they need to be wiped off the face of the planet.
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Despite the utter contempt I have for that franchise, I really do believe we lost the '04 AFCCG to a team who at the time was playing better than we were. The only reason we survived the divisional game against the Jets the week before is because their PK shanked not one, but TWO chip-shot FGs that would have won them the game. The 2004 team peaked in late October/early November and the team's overall quality of play tapered off big time after clobbering the Pats* and Eagles in successive weeks.
Plus the Pats* didn't have that much of an advantage in the two AFCCGs where they beat us. The first time, they won on special teams meltdowns and two Kordell interceptions in the last two minutes. That couldn't have come from videotapes.

The 2004 game came down to Rodney "HGH" Harrison's pick 6, which was a 14 point swing in a 14 point game, and Cowher getting too conservative when we were staging a comeback. Shoulda gone for the TD instead of the FG.
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What I found odd was Bill Cowher's comments. He stated "Is it an advantage to steal signals? Yes. Did it determine the outcome of the game? No.''

Maybe I'm the only one, but that makes absolutely zero sense to me.

This is also the same guy who preached time and time again that "there is a fine line between winning and losing.".

So which is it Bill?

At least Martz wants to find out what in the hell went on and more power to him.
Where there is smoke there is fire?

Zero sense and more. Zero in this case is becoming worth a small fortune. Cowher is officially not on the record until the 'smoking gun' gets loaded and fired. He is in 'political correct mode'.

The HUGE FINE LINE in between the "cat out of the bag" and the "genie out of the bottle" you can almost smell. We might all have one person in our life who we would believe at face value.

Hines Ward's recall should not be discounted back in 2002. Unfathomed? I guess. But this is no longer about if...this is about to what extent.?
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