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Old 05-25-2008, 09:15 PM   #11
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Default Re: Paterno backs college playoff system, calls excuses for absence 'bogus'

You can have at least eleven weeks of football played by the end of the second week in November. Use the following week for conference championships and/or tradtional rivalry games. That leaves the fourth weekend of November, right after Thanksgiving for the first round of playoffs. Play one game Friday night followed by 12:00, 3:30, and 7:00 games on Saturday. Two games the first week of December and a championship the following week - with teams at their peak rather than playing after a five week layoff.

Everybody's home for the holidays and all the other bowl eligible teams can go on and play their bowl games in the warm weather. For the grand finale on New Year's Day you can get back to the Rose Bowl being the Big 10 champ versus the Pac 10 champ, and do the same with the other big name conferences and big name bowls. Give somebody a chance to knock off the national champs for bragging rights, why not. The January 1st bowls may not pay out as much money but the BCS and NCAA will more than make that up with the seven playoff games.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:21 AM   #12
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A playoff will never happen if the status quo continues for the PAC 10 and Big 10. I really respect peterno to admit that the big ten forced him to vote for USC when Auburn went undeafeted and was robbed of a chance to compete in the Championship game. I have even more respect for him that he now refuses to vote in the coaches poll because of the past pressures put on him. the big ten and the pac 10 only care about making money and the stinken rose bowl. I think that the rest of the conferences should break away from the NCAA and leave the PAC 10 and Big 10 out of it and they can have their rosebowl and the rest of college football can figure out the national champion.
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:32 AM   #13
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Default Re: Paterno backs college playoff system, calls excuses for absence 'bogus'

Big Ten has benefited most under BCS system in past decade
By Adam Rittenberg
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If the BCS holds a 10-year anniversary celebration, the Big Ten Conference likely would be first in line for cake.


The league wouldn't leave any crumbs on its plate, either.



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The Big Ten has done well for itself during the BCS era.

Arguably no conference has benefited more from the BCS than the Big Ten, which has sent the most teams (17) to BCS bowls and, for the most part, maintained its traditional bond with the Rose Bowl. Despite owning the fourth-best record (8-9) in BCS games out of the six power conferences, the Big Ten has sent two teams to BCS bowls in seven of the 10 seasons, including each of the past three.


So don't expect the Big Ten to be picketing for a playoff system anytime soon.


"We have the best of both worlds," said Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez, who coached the Badgers to Rose Bowls in 1999 and 2000. "We have a chance to play for a championship and still have our ties to the Rose Bowl. We're in pretty good shape."


Preserving a link to the Rose Bowl has been the biggest priority and the biggest challenge for the Big Ten since the BCS was formed. It also has increased contempt for the league.


The Big Ten sent teams to Pasadena during the first three years of the BCS, but league champ Illinois was bumped to the Sugar Bowl in 2002 when the Rose Bowl hosted the national championship. It marked the first time since 1946 that the game didn't feature the traditional Big Ten vs. Pac-10 matchup.


The Rose Bowl once again didn't feature a Big Ten team in 2003, when league champ Ohio State played for the national title in the Fiesta Bowl. Iowa faced Pac-10 runner-up USC in the Orange Bowl, while Pac-10 champion Washington State took on Big 12 champ Oklahoma in Pasadena.


Rose Bowl executive director Mitch Dorger wasn't thrilled with the matchups, saying at the time, "We learned a lot about the BCS this year and the way it operates."


"The first four years were tough," Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said. "The last four years, we're working much better. We're leaving [the Rose Bowl] more often, but that means we have more opportunity.


"To the extent that there was damage the first four years, we've been able to largely get that back."


Making new inroads to other bowls has certainly helped.


In 2000, Michigan became the first Big Ten team to reach the Orange Bowl since 1977, and the league has more Orange Bowl appearances (three) during the BCS era than in the previous 65 editions of the game (two). Big Ten teams have reached the Sugar Bowl twice since 1999 after getting there just three times before.


"We lost regular access to the Rose Bowl, but we gained three opportunities to play for a national championship," Delany said. "We lost opportunities in the Rose Bowl, but we gained greater access to other major bowls."


The addition of a separate BCS national championship game also has helped the Big Ten, which sent its champion (Ohio State) to both title games and still had an entry in the Rose Bowl.


"We still have an avenue to get there," Alvarez said.


Some see it as a roadblock for the rest of college football.


The Rose Bowl's selection of a three-loss Illinois team in January sparked debate after Big 12 North champion Missouri, a team that had beaten the Illini in the season opener and held the No. 1 ranking at the end of November, was left out of the BCS. Many felt the Rose Bowl should have prioritized matchup over tradition and selected red-hot Georgia to face red-hot USC.


USC's lopsided win over Illinois furthered demand for the Rose Bowl to part with ritual. The Big Ten also has been singled out for its opposition to a plus-one playoff format or any change that would affect its relationship with the Rose Bowl.


Despite the growing clamor for change, the Big Ten doesn't plan to budge.


As a conference without a championship game, Delany and others trumpet the significance of the regular season. Evidence: the Ohio State-Michigan matchup in 2006, which paired the nation's No. 1 and No. 2 teams in arguably the most-anticipated regular-season game in college football history.


"I'm anti-playoff, so the BCS as we see it today is best-case scenario," Purdue coach Joe Tiller said. "College football does have a playoff, and it occurs all year long. Every single game is significant. … I like the format. It's not perfect, but in college football we don't need a playoff. We've got a very healthy game. It's been very good for the Big Ten."


For a league that has had its cake and eaten it throughout the past decade, the current setup is rather sweet.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:50 PM   #14
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Another reason the big 10 wants to keep the current system is based on past performances they would stink it up in a playoff system (based on past performances in BCS games)

Four SEC teams have won BCS national championships -- Tennessee in 1998, LSU in 2003, Florida in 2006 and LSU in 2007. No other conference can claim more than two BCS national titles.

And when it comes to overall records in all BCS bowl games, the SEC blows away everybody else with an 11-4 mark. The Pac-10 is 8-4, and the Big East 6-4. The other three major conferences -- Big Ten (8-9), Big 12 (6-8) and ACC (1-9)
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Default Re: Paterno backs college playoff system, calls excuses for absence 'bogus'

Jesus H Christ, enough with the SEC nuthugging! Do you guys EVER stop? This is all cyclical, and what comes around goes around. Sometimes the SEC is up, sometimes they are down, just like every other conference and everything in life in general.

Anyway, the Big Ten is protecting a money maker, but they just launched their own network and are raping the carriers for access, so they can't plead poverty. I'm a strong advocate of a playoff, but there's just no way it's ever going to be more than a 4 team, possibly an 8 team system, but either one of those is a hundred times better than the current system.
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People, you only need the top 8 teams in a playoff game. Team 9 can cry all they want but no one, and I mean no one will listen. the 9th ranked team isn't going to matter. Teams 1 - 8 play it out.
Big 12 sends their champ 2007 Oklahoma
Big East sends their champ 2007 West Virginia
SEC sends their champ 2007 LSU
ACC sends their champ 2007 Va Tech
Pac 10 sends their champ 2007 USC
Big 10 sends their champ 2007 OSU
That gives you six, you have 2 at large bids for your ND or Boise States and that's it folks. 2007 would have been Missouri or Boise State, Probably not Georgia since they didn't even make their conference Title game, same goes for Kansas. So it would have been something like this:
Winner of LSU vs Missouri plays winner of Va Tech vs West Virgina
Winner of Oklahoma vs Boise State plays winner of USC vs OSU

LSU vs Va Tech winner plays Oklahoma vs USC winner
LSU vs USC in the Championship game, or Maybe Va Tech vs Oklahoma.

That'll settle it once and for all on the field. Kansas can cry all they want, but they didn't make their conference title game and neither did georgia. Let 9 play 10 for the "what if" game.
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A playoff will never happen if the status quo continues for the PAC 10 and Big 10. I really respect peterno to admit that the big ten forced him to vote for USC when Auburn went undeafeted and was robbed of a chance to compete in the Championship game. I have even more respect for him that he now refuses to vote in the coaches poll because of the past pressures put on him. the big ten and the pac 10 only care about making money and the stinken rose bowl. I think that the rest of the conferences should break away from the NCAA and leave the PAC 10 and Big 10 out of it and they can have their rosebowl and the rest of college football can figure out the national champion.
Hey!

Auburn played the effing CITADEL that year. They didn't deserve a Title Shot. So quit your crying and play some tougher teams.

Oh and Freaking Louisiana Monroe and Louisiana Tech. Cry somewhere else cause I won't have your "should have been us" talk here. look at reality. Reality is you didn't EARN the title shot over the other 2 teams that season.
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Just face it we will never have a playoff system because of the Big 10. They block it at every oppurtunity.
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I am not an auburn fan but if you want to compare schedules here is USC's from 2004
2004 Football Schedule and Results
DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS
August 28 at Virginia Tech W 24-13 1-0 (0-0)
September 11 Colorado State W 49-0 2-0 (0-0)
September 18 at Brigham Young W 42-10 3-0 (0-0)
September 25 at Stanford W 31-28 4-0 (1-0)
October 9 No. 7 California W 23-17 5-0 (2-0)
October 16 No. 19 Arizona State W 45-7 6-0 (3-0)
October 23 Washington W 38-0 7-0 (4-0)
October 30 at Washington State W 42-12 8-0 (5-0)
November 6 at Oregon State W 28-20 9-0 (6-0)
November 13 Arizona W 49-9 10-0 (7-0)
November 27 Notre Dame W 41-10 11-0 (7-0)
December 4 at UCLA W 29-24 12-0 (8-0)
January 4 vs No. 3 Oklahoma W 55-19 13-0 (8-0)

here is auburn's schedule from the same season

September 4 Louisiana-Monroe W 31-0 1-0 (0-0)
September 11 at Mississippi State W 43-14 2-0 (1-0)
September 18 No. 4 LSU W 10-9 3-0 (2-0)
September 25 Citadel W 33-3 4-0 (2-0)
October 2 at No. 8 Tennessee W 34-10 5-0 (3-0)
October 9 Louisiana Tech W 52-7 6-0 (3-0)
October 16 Arkansas W 38-20 7-0 (4-0)
October 23 Kentucky W 42-10 8-0 (5-0)
October 30 at Mississippi W 35-14 9-0 (6-0)
November 13 No. 5 Georgia W 24-6 10-0 (7-0)
November 20 at Alabama W 21-13 11-0 (8-0)
December 4 at No. 15 Tennessee W 38-28 12-0 (8-0)
January 3 vs No. 10 Virginia Tech W 16-13 13-0 (8-0)


So USC beats a #7 Cal and #19 arizona looks pretty tough to me
Auburn beat a #4 LSU, #5 Georgia, #8 Tennesee (twice)

So which schedule would you prefer to play. Joe pa pointed it out and i just stated the fact the BIg 10 is doing everything in its power to prevent a playoff system. You have to remeber Paterno and Penn State were an independent for such a long time. So he cares more about the well being of college football and not some so much about the big ten.
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You all know that i am just giving the Big 10 a hard time, but they do deserve it. plus it just gets boring with no football around. I would just like to see a college football playoff system.
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