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Old 07-07-2008, 12:12 AM   #11
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That is a bit of a perjorative view

It gets fought by conservatives that view a govt. as the biggest wasters of tax-dollars, trying to implement a transportation system that will be less effective than in almost ANY other nation because of our expanses between cities... and the American fascination with cars.

On top of which, I haven't seen a railway station yet where I actually feel safe waiting for the tram/train/bus/etc. to come... and that includes NY, NJ, Seattle, Vancouver, Portland and SF.

On top of all that, the cost over-runs, back door deals, union sweetheart deals, etc. just make it not worth while in many cases.

Build a system that is safe, fast, underbudget, and doesn't devalue homeprices along the tracks.. and I am all for it.
Financial issues re: the efficacy of public transportation should of course be hotly debated for the benefit of the public. I have no problem with that. But the thing that drives me crazy (and I am not making this up) is when people argue that public transportation is an attempt by liberals to socially engineer Americans out of their freedom. I hear it all the time whenever a debate about public transport comes up. As you alluded to, America is fascinated by cars and that fascination worked out pretty well for most of us in the last century. But that doesn't mean that people who see the benefit of creating a better public transportation system are power hungry Bolsheviks who want to outlaw F-150s and baseball.

Maybe that talking point is unique to the Northwest and I sound a bit off my rocker in bringing it up. But it does drive me a little crazy.
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Old 07-07-2008, 12:20 AM   #12
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Financial issues re: the efficacy of public transportation should of course be hotly debated for the benefit of the public. I have no problem with that. But the thing that drives me crazy (and I am not making this up) is when people argue that public transportation is an attempt by liberals to socially engineer Americans out of their freedom. I hear it all the time whenever a debate about public transport comes up. As you alluded to, America is fascinated by cars and that fascination worked out pretty well for most of us in the last century. But that doesn't mean that people who see the benefit of creating a better public transportation system are power hungry Bolsheviks who want to outlaw F-150s and baseball.

Maybe that talking point is unique to the Northwest and I sound a bit off my rocker in bringing it up. But it does drive me a little crazy.
Growing up in the Great North West...

I know that the Seattle area particularly is an island unto itself...

And heck... up there, I wouldn't be surprised if teh Bolsheviks WERE trying to take over!

Last good democrat governor that state had was Dixie Lee Ray.
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Old 07-07-2008, 02:11 AM   #13
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i blame the Arabs
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Public Transportation? My chick lives in Shaker Heights, and about 1/4 mile from the Rapids station. We just took the Rapids downtown (light rail) to an Indians game last week. I felt perfectly safe, the trip took 20 minutes (would have been about the same by car), it cost $1.75 a piece (parking alone would have cost at least $10, probably $15-$20), and we were a 5 minute walk from the stadium. I rarely travel into downtown Cleveland any other way, and have never felt the slightest bit threatened, and I don't need to remind people that Cleveland, as a city, is about as safe as Detroit.

I also thought the Metro in DC was pretty safe, and DC (I'm talking DC proper) is pretty much a crime-ridden shithole.
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:25 AM   #15
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i dont to build new roads.. i just want the ones around here fixed. i have busted two tires from freaking pot holes that my sorry governor cant get fixed. the roads in MI are terrible, you have to replace tires and suspensions on your car every other week it seems like.
Then you haven't been to PA in a while. PA is the pothole capital of the country, especially in and around the Burgh. Some of 'em will swallow your car whole.

Sure, I'm torqued off about the oil situation and the gobs of money I put into my gas tank each month, but I've come to the realization that B & Ming about it doesn't change the situation. I'm tired of hearing empty promises by our government and politicians who drive around in their fancy schmancy government vehicles and have their gas paid for by who else - us. Unfortunately, this oil fiasco is going to get worse before it gets better - IF it does.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:23 AM   #16
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You can buy the same amount of Crude oil for an ounce of gold today that you could 20 years ago.

Why are countries now demanding payment in the Euro and not the American dollar? Because it isn't worth the paper it is printed on anymore with the feds keep lowering the PMI. They need to stabilize the dollar, and then you will see the prices come down and not untill. Bring back the Gold Standard for our money.
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We don't have any gold anymore, either.
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