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Old 07-10-2008, 09:20 PM   #11
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Default Re: Hitler Getting New Wax Head

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Maybe that is because they MURDERED 6 MILLION Jews in GAS CHAMBERS.. and 5 MILLION OTHERS the same way....

All within about 6 years.

There are only 2 moral equivalences to what happened there. 1. Unit 731. 2. 20 million serfs killed by Stalin.

EVERYTHING ELSE PALES in comparison.
N oone knows for sure how many Natives were killed by Early European explorers... then the second Native genocide caused by the US government.

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From the 1490s when Christopher Columbus set foot on the Americas to the massacre of Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee by the United States militia, the indigenous population of the Western Hemisphere may have declined by as many as 100 million.[13] In Brazil alone the indigenous population has declined from a pre-Columbian high of an estimated 3 million to some 300,000 (1997).[14][15] Estimates of how many people were living in the Americas when Columbus arrived have varied tremendously; 20th century scholarly estimates ranged from a low of 8.4 million to a high of 112.5 million persons. This population debate has often had ideological underpinnings. Robert Royal writes that "estimates of pre-Columbian population figures have become heavily politicized with scholars who are particularly critical of Europe and/or Western civilization often favoring wildly higher figures."[16]

Scholars now believe that, among the various contributing factors, epidemic disease was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the American natives.[17] After first contacts with Europeans and Africans, some believe that the death of 90 to 95% of the native population of the New World was caused by Old World diseases such as smallpox and measles.[18]

Determining how many people died as a direct result of armed conflict between native Americans, and Europeans and their descendants, is difficult as accurate records were not always kept.

In his book American Holocaust, David Stannard argues that the destruction of the aboriginal peoples of the Americas, in a "string of genocide campaigns" by Europeans and their descendants, was the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world.[13][19] While no mainstream historian denies that death and suffering were unjustly inflicted by a number of Europeans upon a great many American natives, most scholars of the subject maintain that genocide, which is a crime of intent, was not the intent of European colonization. Historian Stafford Poole wrote: "There are other terms to describe what happened in the Western Hemisphere, but genocide is not one of them. It is a good propaganda term in an age where slogans and shouting have replaced reflection and learning, but to use it in this context is to cheapen both the word itself and the appalling experiences of the Jews to mention a major victim of this century."[20]


Those numbers above hardly pale in comparison but seriously dwarf Hitlers and Stalins numbers.
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What is your point?

Did they purposefully bring over smallpox? Did they drop small pox bombs?

There is no moral equivalence.
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What troubles me is the CURRENT genocide in Darfur. The people being massacred (and it's definitely genocide: The deliberate attempt to eradicate an entire population of people based on race). Here is what troubles me the most. It's muslim killing muslim, but where is the outrage from the rest of the Islamic world? They stage protests about some stupid Danish cartoons, but remain silent about Darfur. I GUARANTEE if 10 muslims were killed in Darfur by US or Israeli troops, there would be huge rallys staged by Muslim's everywhere, but hundreds of thousands of black muslims killed by Arab muslims equal crickets. I don't get it...
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