Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees - Page 2

SteelCityMan786 · 07-25-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by X-Terminator

I would feel better if the Pirates got something of value in return. But there is not one blue-chip prospect in that lot. Not one. You rebuild with young, solid, major league-caliber talent. You don't rebuild with other team's dregs, which is ALL this organization has done for the past 15 years. And on top of all of this, they are having trouble getting Alvarez signed. It's a freaking joke. I'm sick of all of the failed 4 year rebuilding plans, and I'm REALLY fed up with the Pirates being nothing more than a farm team for the Yankees and Red Sox. I want to see this team make some REAL progress toward building a winner, and so far, all I'm seeing is business as usual with Huntington, Coonelly and the rest of the "management" team.

I don't care how I sound. Fire them, and get someone with a damn brain in here.

Note that if physicals are not passed the deal is shot.

rbryan · 07-26-2008, 09:46 AM

Par for the course. Although you could make a pretty good argument to get rid of everyone else while you're at it. If your out of the race by July with these guys, how much worse can you be without them. The sad thing is that in recent years the Pirates record as of now would still give them a shot in the mediocre NL Central, but not this year.

I really liked Nady, This shows me that all the talk about trying to field a contender really is just talk.

OneForTheToe · 07-26-2008, 10:22 AM

Not a good trade on paper. They traded the right two players, but they didn't get enough value in return. I'm guessing during those goodbye hugs Nady's teammates were probably saying; "good luck, and I wish I was going with you." Of course, a team can always luck out. Maybe one of those pitchers will turn out to be an all-star. Then again, these are the Pirates and they only have one kind of luck.

Finally, maybe it is time to stop blaming countless GM after GM when we all know where the real problem is - Ownership. Oh please, Mr. Druckenmiller, you would be an instant hero in the burgh.

SteelCityMan786 · 07-26-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OneForTheToe

Not a good trade on paper. They traded the right two players, but they didn't get enough value in return. I'm guessing during those goodbye hugs Nady's teammates were probably saying; "good luck, and I wish I was going with you." Of course, a team can always luck out. Maybe one of those pitchers will turn out to be an all-star. Then again, these are the Pirates and they only have one kind of luck.

Finally, maybe it is time to stop blaming countless GM after GM when we all know where the real problem is - Ownership. Oh please, Mr. Druckenmiller, you would be an instant hero in the burgh.

As long as he would run it like Ron Burkle helps run the Penguins. He lets the Hockey People do all the scouting and he helps bring in the money.

Pittsburghfan · 07-26-2008, 12:26 PM

http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/ne...=.jsp&c_id=pit

As of Friday, the Pirates were expected to receive four prospects - right-hander Ross Ohlendorf, outfielder Jose Tabata, right-hander George Kontos and lefty Phil Coke - in return for Pirates reliever Damaso Marte and outfielder Xavier Nady.

However, as of Saturday morning, Kontos and Coke appear to be out of the deal. Instead the Pirates will be receiving right-handers Jeff Karstens and Daniel McCutchen, both of whom have been playing for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

SteelCityMan786 · 07-26-2008, 12:59 PM

Jeff Karstens
6-4 and a 3.80 ERA

Daniel McCutchen
4-6 and a 3.58 ERA

OneForTheToe · 07-26-2008, 01:03 PM

I guess that would make the trade a bit better. Still, the Yankees knew that the Pirates had to move these two players so you will not get fair value in a trade. The "Nutties" are going to have to prove that they are willing to hold onto a few bigger salary players before other teams give them fair value. I won't hold my breath.

Boy going from the Yankees to the Pirates. Hello World.

OneForTheToe · 07-26-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelCityMan786

As long as he would run it like Ron Burkle helps run the Penguins. He lets the Hockey People do all the scouting and he helps bring in the money.

At this point I wouldn't even care. Running the team like Daniel Snyder does the "Skins" would be an improvement over the last 17 years.

pittsburghp8baller · 07-26-2008, 01:37 PM

we had to make room for Pearce and McCutchen and it looks like we pulled the gun a little to soon on the deal as i think for Nady and Marte we could of gotten better quality.

oh well you can probably expect Jack Wilson and Jason Bay, maybe John Grabow to all be next.

steelersfanman92 · 07-26-2008, 02:32 PM

I have seen the Indy Indians (Pirates AAA team) a few times this season and both Pearce and McCutchen were impressive. I definetely think from what I have seen that they can make it in the bigs

07-26-2008, 09:46 AM	#12
rbryan Team President Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Maui by way of New Brighton PA Posts: 2,030 Member Number: 5196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees Par for the course. Although you could make a pretty good argument to get rid of everyone else while you're at it. If your out of the race by July with these guys, how much worse can you be without them. The sad thing is that in recent years the Pirates record as of now would still give them a shot in the mediocre NL Central, but not this year. I really liked Nady, This shows me that all the talk about trying to field a contender really is just talk.

07-26-2008, 10:22 AM	#13
OneForTheToe Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Steeler Nation Posts: 3,360 Gender: Male Member Number: 2408 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees Not a good trade on paper. They traded the right two players, but they didn't get enough value in return. I'm guessing during those goodbye hugs Nady's teammates were probably saying; "good luck, and I wish I was going with you." Of course, a team can always luck out. Maybe one of those pitchers will turn out to be an all-star. Then again, these are the Pirates and they only have one kind of luck. Finally, maybe it is time to stop blaming countless GM after GM when we all know where the real problem is - Ownership. Oh please, Mr. Druckenmiller, you would be an instant hero in the burgh.

07-26-2008, 12:26 PM	#15
Pittsburghfan Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,384 Member Number: 5129 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/ne...=.jsp&c_id=pit As of Friday, the Pirates were expected to receive four prospects - right-hander Ross Ohlendorf, outfielder Jose Tabata, right-hander George Kontos and lefty Phil Coke - in return for Pirates reliever Damaso Marte and outfielder Xavier Nady. However, as of Saturday morning, Kontos and Coke appear to be out of the deal. Instead the Pirates will be receiving right-handers Jeff Karstens and Daniel McCutchen, both of whom have been playing for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

07-26-2008, 12:59 PM	#16
SteelCityMan786 SF's Youngest Legend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hollidaysburg PA Posts: 19,587 Gender: Male Member Number: 541 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees Jeff Karstens 6-4 and a 3.80 ERA Daniel McCutchen 4-6 and a 3.58 ERA __________________ 786 Ways To Score Touchdowns

07-26-2008, 01:03 PM	#17
OneForTheToe Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Steeler Nation Posts: 3,360 Gender: Male Member Number: 2408 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees I guess that would make the trade a bit better. Still, the Yankees knew that the Pirates had to move these two players so you will not get fair value in a trade. The "Nutties" are going to have to prove that they are willing to hold onto a few bigger salary players before other teams give them fair value. I won't hold my breath. Boy going from the Yankees to the Pirates. Hello World.

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07-26-2008, 01:37 PM	#19
pittsburghp8baller Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In A Place Where There Is No Other Hockey Fans!!!!!! Posts: 1,874 Gender: Male Member Number: 5365 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees we had to make room for Pearce and McCutchen and it looks like we pulled the gun a little to soon on the deal as i think for Nady and Marte we could of gotten better quality. oh well you can probably expect Jack Wilson and Jason Bay, maybe John Grabow to all be next. __________________

07-26-2008, 02:32 PM	#20
steelersfanman92 Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indy Posts: 619 Gender: Male Member Number: 3372 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Nady and Marte Traded to the Yankees I have seen the Indy Indians (Pirates AAA team) a few times this season and both Pearce and McCutchen were impressive. I definetely think from what I have seen that they can make it in the bigs

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