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Old 02-07-2009, 09:05 PM   #21
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Default Re: Someone please explain what the Pats* are doing...

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Who else should they franchise? This isn't all that dumb of a move.

They now have a lot of different options going for them.

They can keep him for the year and pay him the cash. (Moderately likely).
They can let another team sign him away, but getting 2 first round draft picks out of the deal. (Mostly unlikely.)
They can trade his rights away and let another team sign him to a deal of their choosing...which means that the Pats get some compensation for a guy that is pretty much likely to be playing elsewhere anyways. (Highly likely.)
See MOP's post for my reasoning. Plus, is it guaranteed that another team will trade for him? Why in the world would any team trade for and then throw a gazillion dollars at a QB who has played a grand total of 15 and a half NFL games? That's just stupid. At least when they pay a rookie big bucks, they aren't giving up anything in return. It's going to take at least a 1st round pick to pry Cassel out of NE*, and I'm sorry, but he is nowhere near worth that at this stage of his career. I could end up being completely wrong, but I think NE* is going to be stuck with a damn-near $30 million cap hit on 2 QBs, and that is going to end up biting them in the ass.
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Old 02-07-2009, 09:52 PM   #22
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if the pats keep cassel.. the man will make 14.2 mill next yr or something close to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

thats more than what brady is making... i hope they have enough money to wipe there own ass
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Old 02-08-2009, 07:33 AM   #23
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See MOP's post for my reasoning. Plus, is it guaranteed that another team will trade for him? Why in the world would any team trade for and then throw a gazillion dollars at a QB who has played a grand total of 15 and a half NFL games? That's just stupid. At least when they pay a rookie big bucks, they aren't giving up anything in return. It's going to take at least a 1st round pick to pry Cassel out of NE*, and I'm sorry, but he is nowhere near worth that at this stage of his career. I could end up being completely wrong, but I think NE* is going to be stuck with a damn-near $30 million cap hit on 2 QBs, and that is going to end up biting them in the ass.
It may not be draft picks that the Pats* are after. They could be after players too. Maybe they want to trade him for a CB or a LB...combined with a draft pick (i.e. Cassel for LB+ 2nd round).

Look at last season. GB franchised Corey Williams and then traded him for a 2nd round pick.

Now, if you're a team with multiple 1st round draft picks...you could portentially trade one of them for a guy who has shown he can at least play some in the league...as opposed to some rookie who is completely unproven. You then structure Cassel's contract around performance bonuses. Get him 4-5M a year in base salary...some easy to achieve bonuses for 1M or so...and some very difficult ones to get that could extend his contract into the 8-10M/year type area.

It works out for the player and both teams.
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:20 PM   #24
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I suspect the Patriots will be stuck will Cassel this year. Nobody is going to give up 2 first round picks to acquire his services. Plus I can see other GMs around the league of letting the Pats screw themselves with that salary cap number for a backup QB.

As for trade....why would a NFL GM trade for a QB that only has proven himself for one year? Ask the Lions how that Scott Mitchell signing worked out in 1994. No way would I shell out money to guy that I suspect is product of a system.
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I think the Pats will get a trade for him. Maybe the Lions trade the #1 pick for him since he's ahead of Matt Stafford from a development standpoint.

maybe the Chiefs trade LJ and a pick for him, or the Vikings trade a DB and pick for him. I honestly hope they have to pay both Cassell and Brady.
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This is all, of course, p[predicated upon the assumption that he's not a one-year-wonder.

If he's NOT, then this is all fine and good and sound logic by the Pats. However, considering their system, and their schedule, and the facts that he basically choked against every defense he faced this year, I'm sticking with the "Tommy Tutone" theory.

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I'm sticking with the "Tommy Tutone" theory.
What if the winning QB lottery numbers are 8-6-7-5-3-0-9 ?
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There's always a chance.

Interesting aside. The dude that owns that number is selling it. I guess Jenny doesn't live there anymore...
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Makes sense.

1. The Pats have no guarantee that Brady is truly healthy. If they lose Cassel, then they are scrambling for a QB to learn the system. Chances are, that QB will come in with baggage as well.

2. It is a one year deal. Which means they don't have cap issues down the road. Basically, they are buying a 14 mill. dollar insurance policy. Now just think about how our 6 million dollar insurance policy with Starks worked out this year. Had we lost him, I don't know if we could have held down the LT spot.

3. It gives the Pats to opportunity to have input on where Cassel goes. He doesn't end up in Jets land giving them the playbook. He ends up in a NFC team that doesn't threaten the Pats.
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2. It is a one year deal. Which means they don't have cap issues down the road. Basically, they are buying a 14 mill. dollar insurance policy. Now just think about how our 6 million dollar insurance policy with Starks worked out this year. Had we lost him, I don't know if we could have held down the LT spot. .
certainly could screw em this year.....plus waiting another year to sign wilfork, could drive his price up....


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