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Old 03-19-2009, 12:46 PM   #11
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you basically stole what kirwan has been saying and put in print over a week ago, and then said he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.

hilarious.
Yeah, but what does Kirwin really know?? Every year he writes an article that statistically proves about 3 percent of rookies start in the NFL.............but every alleged knowledgeable fan here thinks the guys we draft in rounds 1 and 2 are gonna improve our team immediately.

Then the calls of Timmons is a bust, Mendenhall is a bust, Sweed is a bust come out in year one ..............only to fade to a whimper in the 2nd season. Pat knows nothing!!
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Old 03-19-2009, 02:34 PM   #12
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its not like he has ever put together an actual draft board or worked in an actual war room, or negotated and drawn up an actual contract for an actual draft pick.



i enjoy his mocks. id say other than the professional mock drafters such as kiper or mayock, he puts about as much time and research into it as anybody.

theyre fun too. he even includes trades (last year predicting patriots trading their #1 for a lb.- they traded down instead of up and a team trading up for d. harvey- it was the jags and not the lions).

i notice this year he is being scoffed at on the boards for suggesting seattle and jags will take the 1st two quarterbacks. however, last year i think he was the only one who had brian brohm going to the packers (even bumping him out of the 1st round for his final mock).

pat now has eugene monroe going #1. this is the same kid who bumped branden albert to the inside of the line in college. the same albert who pat chatred his meteoric clim up the draftboards on a weekly basis (much like he is now with gilbert).

anyways kirwan just spoke with 2 of the people who attended monroes pro day (probably scouts or position coach) and one of them told pat that they read his mock draft yesterday and everything he said about him was spot on correct.

pat never reveals his sources cause he knows lots of coaches, scouts and even gm's listen to his show and it could give someone a leg up on what their competition is thinking or doing.

but yeah, he always makes mistakes and should just give it up.
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i myself think that monroe is going to be the #1 pick. just because jason smith put up better numbers at the combine, doesn't mean he's got more potential. nobody was even talking about smith back in november.
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I say yes they will !!! Why you may ask??.........................

1.The Steelers feel confident with a DB corps of Taylor, Gay, Townsend, Bryant, Lewis. Plus, the CB class in this years draft is very deep.
Yeah but Townsend is 33 years old & nearing the end of his career & not only is Fernando Bryant in his 30s he also in essence has not had an impact in the NFL, plus Lewis might not even make it on the 53 man roster. Vontae Davis is a very talented DB, there is a consesus among other experts that he is the 2nd best CB in the draft & will be long gone by the time the Steelers pick in the 1st round. He is a steal at pick #32. Plus Gilbert played against weak competition
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i myself think that monroe is going to be the #1 pick. just because jason smith put up better numbers at the combine, doesn't mean he's got more potential. nobody was even talking about smith back in november.
You may be right MOP, but remember, we are talking about the Lions.
When is the last time they took a WR in the 1st round, they may be due.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:26 PM   #16
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Yeah but Townsend is 33 years old & nearing the end of his career & not only is Fernando Bryant in his 30s he also in essence has not had an impact in the NFL, plus Lewis might not even make it on the 53 man roster. Vontae Davis is a very talented DB, there is a consesus among other experts that he is the 2nd best CB in the draft & will be long gone by the time the Steelers pick in the 1st round. He is a steal at pick #32. Plus Gilbert played against weak competition
The guys probably left at #32 will be Alphonso Smith or Darius Butler. A solid D-line and pass rush means your CB's dont have to cover long. Quality CB's can be found in rounds other than the 1st. Example:

Ivan "Ike" Taylor - 4th round
DeShea Townsend- 4th round
William Gay- 5th round
Bryant McFadden-2nd round

Our recent D linemen drafts like Ryan McBean (4th ) Orien Harris (4th), Shaun Nua (7th), Eric Taylor (7th), Nathanial Adibi (5th) have not really provided us with any depth and should get some attention.
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This is an extremely poor mock.

Everette Brown at #3 while Aaron Curry and Brian Orakpo are still on the board?

Beanie Wells to the Texans with plenty of defensive guys on the board?

Kenny Britt to the Dolphins with all kinds of secondary help on the board?

Percy Harvin to the Ravens over Heyward-Bey?

Jarron Gilbert to us with Beatty and Mack available?

This guy might know his prospects, but in terms of judging what teams value he seems clueless. I mean, do you really think Aaron Curry will drop to number 9?
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This is an extremely poor mock.


This guy might know his prospects, but in terms of judging what teams value he seems clueless. I mean, do you really think Aaron Curry will drop to number 9?
it depends on what he has between his ears and how well he does in interviews.

last year their were many who thought vernon gholston wouldnt fall past #4 and that jarrod mayo was a major reach in the top 10.

the draft is an inexact science. so tell us... what do teams value?
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kirwan's 2008 mock......he didn't do so well.....

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...o&confirm=true
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it depends on what he has between his ears and how well he does in interviews.

last year their were many who thought vernon gholston wouldnt fall past #4 and that jarrod mayo was a major reach in the top 10.

the draft is an inexact science. so tell us... what do teams value?
last year kirwan had mayo and rivers going 29 and 31st...they went 9 and 10. 8 of his 1st rd picks, didn't go in the 1st rd.
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