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Old 04-04-2009, 05:26 AM   #21
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Default Re: Obama bows down to Saudi king

My goodness, all this up in arms for a brief nanosecond event...that may or may not be anything at all that it appears to be.
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Old 04-04-2009, 07:35 AM   #22
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seriously, its a greeting like a hand shake.
Exactly.

However, I would have much preferred it if The Savior had yanked that tablecloth off Abdullah's head and done the Moe on him.
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Old 04-05-2009, 12:26 AM   #23
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Wow I see this forum loves to Obama-bash
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:42 AM   #24
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Wow I see this forum loves to Obama-bash
Only when he gives us good reason to do so and he's done so since almost the day he was inaugurated.
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:34 AM   #25
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seriously, its a greeting like a hand shake.

those in judo bow to eachother and then procede to kick eachothers ass.

atleast he want up under the kings robe like our previous president.

Only if the king bows back. That is the question which wasn't in the article. Otherwise, it is a show of submission.
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:51 PM   #26
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According to Hoagland, Obama knows best...

http://www.ohio.com/editorial/commentary/42488262.html

Welcome to Obama's world

By Jim Hoagland
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Published on Sunday, Apr 05, 2009

WASHINGTON: Only in America, did you murmur? Or was it my own thought on hearing that, on the very day Queen Elizabeth welcomed Barack and Michelle Obama to Buckingham Palace to tea, the president's impecunious Kenyan aunt had to plead with a Boston immigration judge not to be deported immediately?

That juxtaposition will tell Europeans more about this country and our new leader than all the massaged speeches, competing news conferences and carefully filigreed communiques that blossomed on Obama's first official trip to their continent — if they pay attention.

First, though, an aside: Enough already with this embarrassing deportation case against Zeituni Onyango, who won a reprieve last week to stay in Boston until next February for a full hearing on her asylum request. Her case is so unusual and so public, and her vulnerability now so high, that only the most rabid immigraphobes would take the chance of putting this 56-year-old woman in harm's way.

Obama says he has not lifted a finger to help the aunt who guided him around Kenya 20 years ago. The careful image of keeping his distance from a relative embroiled in political as well as legal controversy is consistent with the discipline and unsentimental calculation that guided Obama's hopscotch through three big diplomatic summits in four days.

For Obama, friendly behavior toward other politicians is a policymaking tool, especially when magnified by the 21st-century power of instant global imagery. Where George W. Bush may have glowered to get his way, Obama gripped and grinned and moved on to his talking points. Neither naivete (his critics' suspicion) nor innate goodness (his supporters' hope) spurred the president's visible guffawing with Russia's Dmitry Medvedev, China's Hu Jintao or France's Nicolas Sarkozy at the G-20 in London. Self-interest did.

''The truth is Bush wanted to be liked. And he took it personally when he wasn't,'' said a European official who has dealt with both presidents. ''Obama doesn't seem to really care if he is liked. He has an almost royal reserve.'' And, he suggested, the self-confidence to base political relations on utility and need.

When I asked a senior diplomat from another major European nation about the ''chemistry'' between his leader and Obama, he shot back: ''What chemistry? It's nothing personal, it's just business when they talk.''

That presents a welcome change. Bush's pals played on the personal connection to make end runs around the diplomatic processes that his secretaries of state and national security advisers dreamed up. Ehud Olmert, Israel's former prime minister, used a weekly phone call with Bush to particularly damaging effect — so much so that Jim Jones, the current national security adviser, reportedly told Obama that he would take the job only if he were not similarly bypassed in communications.

Obama immediately agreed — perhaps because it would make little difference, anyway, if Dmitry or Nicolas did plead their cases with him personally.

In London, Obama did not look into Medvedev's soul but into the future. The White House is working on an elaborate plan to restore U.S. leadership on global nonproliferation and disarmament, which Bush disdained.

Obama needs Medvedev's help on that — and on devising a fallback plan of more painful sanctions for Iran if Obama's engagement effort fails. (Obama's intent to be a ''full partner'' in the Iran negotiations, and the need for commitment on a Plan B for tough sanctions will be spelled out to Russia, Britain, France, Germany and China on Wednesday by Undersecretary of State William Burns.)

Obama can be forgiven for using his first grand tour abroad to establish for foreign audiences how different he and Bush are — the heavy-breathing message contained in his nonstop promises to listen rather than lecture. Fair enough.

But with this trip, the president reaches the point of diminishing returns for that slogan — and for his team's frequent assertions that all the problems they confront were caused by Bush. Americans and foreigners alike now expect Obama to define what he learned by all that listening, and to show how he intends to apply it. Listening is not a policy.

Just as his recent decisions on U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan make that conflict Obama's war, this extended burst of summitry in Europe makes this Obama's world, for better or for worse. He approaches it with a lack of Bushian sentimentality and emotion that we can all applaud — expect perhaps for his poor aunt in Boston, and any leaders who had hoped to become Obama's Olmert.

Hoagland is a Washington Post columnist. He can be e-mailed at jimhoagland@washpost.com.
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Old 04-08-2009, 04:40 PM   #27
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Now B.O. and the White House say he "didn't Bow"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi..._to_Saudi.html

The White House is denying that the president bowed to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia at a G-20 meeting in London, a scene that drew criticism on the right and praise from some Arab outlets.

"It wasn't a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he's taller than King Abdullah," said an Obama aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Washington Times called the alleged bow a "shocking display of fealty to a foreign potentate" and said it violated centuries of American tradition of not deferring to royalty. The Weekly Standard, meanwhile, noted that American protocol apparently rules out bowing, or at least it reportedly did on the occasion of a Clinton "near-bow" to the emperor of Japan.

Interestingly, a columnist in the Saudi-backed Arabic paper Asharq Alawsat also took the gesture as a bow and appreciated the move.

"Obama wished to demonstrate his respect and appreciation of the personality of King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz, who has made one of the most important calls in the modern era, namely the call for inter-faith and inter-cultural dialogue to defuse the hatred, conflict and wars," wrote the columnist, Muhammah Diyab.

The video shows Obama dipping toward the king as G-20 leaders greet one another at the ExCel Centre in London.

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Yeah right...he's just so much taller...

actually it looks like he might be signing and autograph for the Kind of Saudi Arabia.
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This guy never stops does he? This is a flat-out lie. He bowed. He BOWED!

Just admit it or ignore, and, either way, move on...
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