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Old 04-17-2009, 07:41 PM   #11
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remember people... buy ammo.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:45 PM   #13
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China made it. Its all bought up because of the dark clouds over Washington.
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China made it. We bought it all up because of the dark clouds over Washington.
How could I forget.

Then we smuggled it all into mexico.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:51 PM   #15
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Then we smuggled it all into mexico.
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Different President, Different Party, Same "status quo" - if memory serves, Obama made votes for the Patriot Act, Military Commission Act of 2006, FISA, and other bills that strip our freedoms while he was Senator.

BTW - the last President that went against this "establishment" was JFK...and y'all know what happened to him when all was said and done.
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im pretty indifferent either way cause im pretty much on the fence with the issue and see the pros and cons of both sides. of course the democrats would beat on bush for items they dont agree with just like the republicans will beat on obama.

in this case he'll do something they do agree with and STILL beat on him.
You're pretty much indifferent and on the fence? Why do you feel the cons of wiretapping are even remotely comparable to the benefits of the potential lives saved?
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You're pretty much indifferent and on the fence? Why do you feel the cons of wiretapping are even remotely comparable to the benefits of the potential lives saved?
That's a softball question GBMel, the argument is you are violating one of THE MOST sacred rights guaranteed by the Constitution, the right to privacy. The historical protection of this right in the law is almost unrivaled. Some would argue, myself included, it is never worth sacrificing your convictions and ideals to get guilty people.

I'm quite certain the founding fathers agreed with that concept, see my previous quote by Jefferson and the famous quote by Franklin that those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither.

I'd rather 1000 guilty terrorists go free than have your Constitutional rights violated.
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That's a softball question GBMel, the argument is you are violating one of THE MOST sacred rights guaranteed by the Constitution, the right to privacy. The historical protection of this right in the law is almost unrivaled. Some would argue, myself included, it is never worth sacrificing your convictions and ideals to get guilty people.

I'm quite certain the founding fathers agreed with that concept, see my previous quote by Jefferson and the famous quote by Franklin that those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither.

I'd rather 1000 guilty terrorists go free than have your Constitutional rights violated.
Thanks SteelersinCA, I appreciate AND understand your reasoning......but my question was directed specifically to Tony because I want to understand why he would have any problem with the government infringing on a persons privacy if it is in an attempt to save American lives.
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It only took a handful of terrorist to kill thousands, tank the economy and strip our freedoms away.
Well, they did kill thousands, but I think the economy was going to go into the shitter anyway. They didn't strip our freedoms, we did that all on our own.
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