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Old 04-30-2009, 03:52 PM   #231
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Then explain to me why if I don't agree with the war and much of Bush's policies then I'm am trash or have agenda...or any of the other things mentioned.

Can you at least admit that things are screwed up to an extent? Maybe it's the extent that we disagree on.
I never said you were trash. I said for you to imply what I was saying was "partisan BS" was getting away from directly discussing the topics we were on.

Of course. I will admit things are screwed up. I'll admit bush made mistakes. I don't have a problem with you NOT agreeing with war but when you bring up your reasons, is it wrong for us to debate and argue those. I don't think it is. And because I'm arguing with you and pushing you DOESN'T mean I don't feel your points are invalid, I am simply presenting the other side to put things in perspective. That's all.

Is the cost of the war HUGE? yes. Did bush break promises, sure. Is it your right to be angry that bush broke his promises that may have been important to you? Of course. So when I am bringing up Obma's broken promises, it is to put things in perspective. And when you bring up giving him time, I did not jump on you about that. I simply asked you how you felt about the spending because it is importatn to me and I wanted to get your opinion and argue/discuss it with you. That's all.

Strongly arguing points with you DOESN'T mean I dislike you.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:05 PM   #232
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I never said you were trash. I said for you to imply what I was saying was "partisan BS" was getting away from directly discussing the topics we were on.

Of course. I will admit things are screwed up. I'll admit bush made mistakes. I don't have a problem with you NOT agreeing with war but when you bring up your reasons, is it wrong for us to debate and argue those. I don't think it is. And because I'm arguing with you and pushing you DOESN'T mean I don't feel your points are invalid, I am simply presenting the other side to put things in perspective. That's all.

Is the cost of the war HUGE? yes. Did bush break promises, sure. Is it your right to be angry that bush broke his promises that may have been important to you? Of course. So when I am bringing up Obma's broken promises, it is to put things in perspective. And when you bring up giving him time, I did not jump on you about that. I simply asked you how you felt about the spending because it is importatn to me and I wanted to get your opinion and argue/discuss it with you. That's all.

Strongly arguing points with you DOESN'T mean I dislike you.
And I agree. Actually, that was quite intelligent.

As far as Obama's spending...I'm honestly not sure yet. But at this point I do think it pales in comparison to the already disastrous deficit we currently face.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:08 PM   #233
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And I agree. Actually, that was quite intelligent.

As far as Obama's spending...I'm honestly not sure yet. But at this point I do think it pales in comparison to the already disastrous deficit we currently face.
Just out of curiosity how does it pale in comparison when Obama is spending more in 100 days than EVERY President combined?
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Just out of curiosity how does it pale in comparison when Obama is spending more in 100 days than EVERY President combined?
Prove that.

How can Obama have already spent more than all the presidents combined when Bush alone spent $4+ trillion in Iraq? Not to mention the money spent on this and that int he past 8 years. i.e. The bush Bailouts, etc. What about all the money Clinton spent? Or Carter? Hell, look at what LBJ and Roosevelt spent and then come talk to me. You should also consider inflation and the worth the US dollar. $100 today doesn't equal $100 50 years ago. If the stimulus is give or take $1 trillion over two years...how does that add up? Even if for some reason this so-called "stimulus" grows to $4 trillion it's still mathematically impossible that Obama will have spent more than EVERY prez combined!!

You're simply quoting the Rush Limbaughs of the world. Please prove your statement factually.
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Me thinks the childish behaviors in this thread had better cease pronto or this thread is going to be locked. C'mon gentlemen - please debate respectfully.

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Well, I'm a Soldier. I don't consider what we're doing to be a complete waste. Now, handing Billions of dollars to CEOs and "Chief Financial Experts" who (annually) make more than I make in my lifetime, because they screwed up...and then let them give that money out in "bonuses"...that's simply atrocious.

I don't agree with everything Bush. Don't get me wrong. But then again, I disagree more with Congress than I do Bush/Obama. However, Obama is doing nothing to prevent congress from pissing away even more of my money. You're talking about what Bush has done over 8 years. What about what Obama has allowed over 100 days? The numbers are staggering.

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Actually, as a soldier, you're not supposed to openly criticize our Commander-In-Chief. Hey, don't get mad at me...you raised your right hand to support the decisions of those appointed over you...and I believe the CIC is appointed over you
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Actually, as a soldier, you're not supposed to openly criticize our Commander-In-Chief. Hey, don't get mad at me...you raised your right hand to support the decisions of those appointed over you...and I believe the CIC is appointed over you
You're right. But there is a difference between disagreeing with someone's point of view, how they run things, decisions they make and actually criticizing them.

Saying someone is inexperienced is not criticizing them. It's an opinion based on their experiences (or lack there of). I can make comments in jest...and if I'm told that they're offensive by the person in question, then I'll stop. It's why I'll never get brought up on EO/SH cases...I know where to draw the line.

Saying that I think the stimulus bill is a crock of shit isn't criticizing Obama as a person. I don't agree with his policies (which is allowed), his platform (which is allowed) or his ideology (also allowed.) Now, when his policies become in effect, I follow them. If he tells me to go to Afghan and work as a gate guard, I'll go and do just that. If he sends me to Iraq as a convoy driver, so be it. I drive a truck then. If he sends me to Texas to act as a guard on Tamiflu, I'll go and guard the Tamiflu (the OHNG is helping guard supplies in an undisclosed location right now.)

I didn't want to go overseas in 2003 and disagreed with the terms of us going over there. (I wish Bush would have just said, we're overthrowing Sadaam, would have felt more honest IMO). And still I went and did my duty. If I could go back to 2003, I'd change very little. I'd still have boarded the bus to NJ and the Plane taking me to Camp Wolf. I'd still have run my armory and assisted my Commo guys with running the Coms in the ASP. I'd still have worked (literally) for 60+ hours in a 3-day span to pack up our equipment and ensure it got sent to the right location so that we could go home.

Same will happen again (eventually.) I'll be asked to go to Iraq, Afghan, N Korea or W/E and I'll do it. I'll likely disagree with that decision, but I took an oath and I'll follow it.

By the by, I only have to follow lawful orders...and if Obama wants to right me up for insubordination (and he can justify it), he's more than welcome to. Wouldn't be the first time I got wrote up for it, (and knowing me,) it won't be the last.
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Me thinks the childish behaviors in this thread had better cease pronto or this thread is going to be locked. C'mon gentlemen - please debate respectfully.

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I didn't want to go overseas in 2003 and disagreed with the terms of us going over there. (I wish Bush would have just said, we're overthrowing Sadaam, would have felt more honest IMO). .
OH NO YOU DIDNT!

you will now be labeled a bush basher!
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"....but ma, HEEHAW, he started it first!" HEEHAW
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OH NO YOU DIDNT!

you will now be labeled a bush basher!
So be it. I can take it.

There are candidates who are worth voting against (I classify Obama as one of those...same with Gore) ...and candidates not worth voting for (pretty much everyone else).
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Prove that.

How can Obama have already spent more than all the presidents combined when Bush alone spent $4+ trillion in Iraq? Not to mention the money spent on this and that int he past 8 years. i.e. The bush Bailouts, etc. What about all the money Clinton spent? Or Carter? Hell, look at what LBJ and Roosevelt spent and then come talk to me. You should also consider inflation and the worth the US dollar. $100 today doesn't equal $100 50 years ago. If the stimulus is give or take $1 trillion over two years...how does that add up? Even if for some reason this so-called "stimulus" grows to $4 trillion it's still mathematically impossible that Obama will have spent more than EVERY prez combined!!

You're simply quoting the Rush Limbaughs of the world. Please prove your statement factually.
I apologize he has increased the DEBT more than all Presidents combined. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123629969453946717.html
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