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Old 05-25-2009, 09:48 AM   #11
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Default Re: Why are there soo many people joining the Military?

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When the economy is bad, recruiting always goes up. For most people, 4 years of guaranteed pay is far better than the alternative...

As for your question, when you get to Meridian, talk to the folks there. Otherwise, talk with Trauben. She's still active Navy and may have some more insight. I've been out of that branch for nearly 8 years. I believe that, unless the EOD is really hurting for people, you'll have to wait 2 years...which will likely turn to 4. Once it's time for you to reenlist, you can make that a requirement to raise your right hand again.

At least that's the way it worked for most Sailors who wanted to change their Rate or go to another school.
Well, I know there is a high attrition rate for EOD, and they were asking for volunteers for EOD at boot camp. So I assume they might need more guys.

Who's Trauben? I need to get in contact with that person, where is she?
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:59 AM   #12
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You going to be at Stennis?
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:03 AM   #13
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You going to be at Stennis?
No, Im going to Meridian.
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Well, I know there is a high attrition rate for EOD, and they were asking for volunteers for EOD at boot camp. So I assume they might need more guys.

Who's Trauben? I need to get in contact with that person, where is she?
Cannot speak for Navy EOD, but have a little insight on Air Force EOD. Two buddies of mine are EOD where I am stationed at. EOD in the USAF is in high demand for a number of reasons:

1. High ops tempo, always fricken gone
2. High drop out rate in technical schools
3. Job offers on the outside (my buddy is being recruited by several non military government agencies for a crap ton of money)
4. Dangerous job, one close encounter may make you second guess your career choice.

That is why EOD is in high demand throughout the services. You see all those EOD's going off in Iraq/Afghanistan, those are only a portion of the ones that are there. Our EOD troops are doing a great job of disarming many, many more EOD's.

Good luck in getting EOD, tough job but the reward is astronomical!
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I always hear how the military recruits poor black kids to go fight rich white mens wars, but I'm confused...

Today in the paper there was a pictorial list of all the area men and women who have been KIA in The Iraq and Afghan War. 70 individuals in all. But only 5 blacks. The population around here is on par with the country overall, about 12-13%, yet only 5 out of 70 (7%ish) KIA's from this area are black. It seems like we have a disproportionately white military.

Why is this so? Why am I repeatedly hearing that our military is disproportionally black?

Just curious.

By the by, it's nice to see that we do have a ton of volunteers. We ARE at war, so it's not like these kids are signing up for low-risk cushy peace-time jobs.
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i dont know if 70 local ohio kids out of the 4000+ KIA is a large enough sample size. maybe the local recruiters whos responsibility is the inner cities there just suck when it comes to convincing the poor blacks that the military provides a better option.

i do know the AFB i work on in southwestern NM is probably 30% black. oddly enough, theres a very low percentage of mexicans even though they make up a large portion of our local demographic. as far as the enlisted female airmen, i would say its 50-50 black/white.

i have lived on 3 af bases in CA, AZ, and NM and the black population there, far outweighs the general percentage in the surrounding "native" communities.
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I always hear how the military recruits poor black kids to go fight rich white mens wars, but I'm confused...

Today in the paper there was a pictorial list of all the area men and women who have been KIA in The Iraq and Afghan War. 70 individuals in all. But only 5 blacks. The population around here is on par with the country overall, about 12-13%, yet only 5 out of 70 (7%ish) KIA's from this area are black. It seems like we have a disproportionately white military.

Why is this so? Why am I repeatedly hearing that our military is disproportionally black?

Just curious.

By the by, it's nice to see that we do have a ton of volunteers. We ARE at war, so it's not like these kids are signing up for low-risk cushy peace-time jobs.
I would think it is because many of those people who are over there are 2 and 3 time volunteers, most people like that either 1, want this to be a career or 2, are going into it for an adventure. I don't think people who simply enter the military for a four year stint and the college money are two and three time volunteers.

By that I mean, you volunteer to be in the military, then you volunteer for a job that you KNOW will place you on or close to the front lines, then many of them volunteer AGAIN for jobs like spec. ops, force recon, etc., which puts them at the sharpest point of the spear.

It is mainly those who had options, and CHOSE the military that end up there IMO.
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Well, I know there is a high attrition rate for EOD, and they were asking for volunteers for EOD at boot camp. So I assume they might need more guys.

Who's Trauben? I need to get in contact with that person, where is she?
Don't know where she's at, but shoot her a PM. She's a Chief in the Navy...so she could be out doing some kind of Ops...and if I remember right about her MOS/work, she'll spend a lot of time in and out to sea.

Like I said, when you get to Meridian (boring place, I was an AK when I was in...the Walmart was new in town and the locals were just going nuts over it.) ask there. It may be that because of the high attrition rate for EOD that you'll go there right after your YN school instead of to your next command. I don't know the numbers and don't remember the resources to look that info up being a Soldier for the last 8 years.
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i dont know if 70 local ohio kids out of the 4000+ KIA is a large enough sample size. maybe the local recruiters whos responsibility is the inner cities there just suck when it comes to convincing the poor blacks that the military provides a better option.

i do know the AFB i work on in southwestern NM is probably 30% black. oddly enough, theres a very low percentage of mexicans even though they make up a large portion of our local demographic. as far as the enlisted female airmen, i would say its 50-50 black/white.

i have lived on 3 af bases in CA, AZ, and NM and the black population there, far outweighs the general percentage in the surrounding "native" communities.
True, but I think his point was not people stationed in Ohio but rather, those who were BORN and RAISED there who went off to be in the military.

And you stats speak to my previous post. Those without many choices that choose the military as a way to escape an enviroment usually don't choose placements that put them on the front line. I wonder how many re-enlist and how many get out after 4 or 8 years for college. Either way, it is a good choice. It just goes to answering Suit's question a bit more.

And no tony. . . I didn't edit my post after you quoted me.

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Just walk in and tell them you want to go to Bud/S.

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