2009 Pittsburgh Pirates Season Thread

[BehindSteelCurtain]

Originally Posted by pittsburghp8baller

yep Gorzo and Grabow. Now we are without a lefty in the bullpen but it looks like we got good return

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Pirates didn't get anything special in return.

[X-Terminator]

Good, the walking heart attack known as John Grabow is gone. I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to kill him over the years. He's now Cubs' fans heart attack.

Gorzo gets to go back home, and I hope it works out for him. Has great stuff, just lacks control and confidence.

BTW, the Bucs do have a lefty in the bullpen - Donnie Veal. I'm not exactly comfortable with him, though.

As for the return, hey, a bag of peanuts and a hot dog would have been good enough for Grabow. Ascanio looks like a pretty decent power pitcher, and Hart is a decent starter. Harrison, I don't know much about but he looks like a good prospect. We need good middle-infield prospects, particularly at 2B. We are pathetically thin there.

[touchdownward]

Do the Pirates have anyone left? They've traded McLuth, LaRoche, Sanchez, Wilson, Snell, Grabow, Gorzelanny, Morgan. Are they fielding a AAA team the rest of the way?

Sure glad the Steelers don't run their organization like this.

[SteelCityMan786]

Originally Posted by touchdownward

Do the Pirates have anyone left? They've traded McLuth, LaRoche, Sanchez, Wilson, Snell, Grabow, Gorzelanny, Morgan. Are they fielding a AAA team the rest of the way?

Sure glad the Steelers don't run their organization like this.

Doumit, Duke, Maholm, and Capps. Odds are 1 of them will go.

[KeiselPower99]

Originally Posted by SteelCityMan786

Doumit, Duke, Maholm, and Capps. Odds are 1 of them will go.

My vote is Duke. Good news I bought a McClouth shirt today for 5 bucks.

[X-Terminator]

Originally Posted by touchdownward

Do the Pirates have anyone left? They've traded McLuth, LaRoche, Sanchez, Wilson, Snell, Grabow, Gorzelanny, Morgan. Are they fielding a AAA team the rest of the way?

Sure glad the Steelers don't run their organization like this.

Their goal is to infuse the organization with as much talent as possible, because before Huntington and Coonelly took over, the farm system was as barren as it can get. There was precious little talent throughout the organization, and they are correct that if you want to build a winning organization in a market like Pittsburgh, you need to have a strong minor league system. Mission accomplished, but I never thought in my wildest dreams that they would do it in such a short period of time. They've basically turned the entire roster over in a little over a year. That is what really has the fans upset and scratching their heads - we have been completely blind-sided by their "trade everyone and everything that isn't nailed down" approach to organization-building.

BTW, the Steelers DO run their organization in a similar fashion - they prefer to build from within and have no problem letting quality players go when they feel they need to (see Faneca, Alan and Porter, Joey). The big, big difference, of course, is that the Steelers will spend the money to keep their homegrown talent here, whereas the Pirates have not. Whether that will change if and when all of the players they've acquired develop into good major-leaguers remains to be seen. I still haven't changed my stance - I will give the GM time and a chance to see if his plan works, but I will do it from the comfort of my living room starting next season.

[pittsburghp8baller]

Originally Posted by X-Terminator

Their goal is to infuse the organization with as much talent as possible, because before Huntington and Coonelly took over, the farm system was as barren as it can get. There was precious little talent throughout the organization, and they are correct that if you want to build a winning organization in a market like Pittsburgh, you need to have a strong minor league system. Mission accomplished, but I never thought in my wildest dreams that they would do it in such a short period of time. They've basically turned the entire roster over in a little over a year. That is what really has the fans upset and scratching their heads - we have been completely blind-sided by their "trade everyone and everything that isn't nailed down" approach to organization-building.

BTW, the Steelers DO run their organization in a similar fashion - they prefer to build from within and have no problem letting quality players go when they feel they need to (see Faneca, Alan and Porter, Joey). The big, big difference, of course, is that the Steelers will spend the money to keep their homegrown talent here, whereas the Pirates have not. Whether that will change if and when all of the players they've acquired develop into good major-leaguers remains to be seen. I still haven't changed my stance - I will give the GM time and a chance to see if his plan works, but I will do it from the comfort of my living room starting next season.

there isnt a point in trying to explain to some of these people, they want the Pirates to be ran like the Steelers are when in fact running a baseball team is no way like running a baseball team.

I cant believe i keep forgetting about Donnie Veal, probably because i have only seen him once this year.

[SteelCityMan786]

You stay Classy Sean Burnett

"They're the laughingstock of baseball right now. They've gotten rid of everybody. They won't keep anybody around. Some of the guys here, they don't understand it, but Nyjer and I knew this was coming."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09212...#ixzz0MskuUWPs

Burnett incase he has forgotten, plays for the most dysfunctional team in professional sports. The Pirates at least are trying to win.

[touchdownward]

Originally Posted by pittsburghp8baller;631806[B

]there isnt a point in trying to explain to some of these people[/B], they want the Pirates to be ran like the Steelers are when in fact running a baseball team is no way like running a baseball team.

I cant believe i keep forgetting about Donnie Veal, probably because i have only seen him once this year.

Gee, sure hated I wasted XT's time. Turning over 13 of the 25 man and seemingly happening every season has got to wear thin for you Bucs fans.

Thanks for the well thought out response T.

[X-Terminator]

Originally Posted by SteelCityMan786

You stay Classy Sean Burnett



Burnett incase he has forgotten, plays for the most dysfunctional team in professional sports. The Pirates at least are trying to win.

Is there anyone left in sports with any class? I'm sure the other players who were traded feel the same way as Burnett, but so far they've kept their mouths shut. Obviously he was never told that if you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything, otherwise you come out looking like an ass, especially if you lose like you did tonight.

Sean, your team is friggin 32-71, with the worst record in baseball. Talking shit really makes you look dumb just for that reason alone.

EDIT: Just took a look at Indy's stats - Jeff Clement was 3 for 4 with 2 HR in his first game with the Indians last night. A pretty good debut, I'd say. He'll definitely be up by the end of the year, and don't be shocked if he is our starting first baseman next season.