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Old 08-11-2009, 09:41 AM   #11
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Default Re: Browns | Quarterback battle remains open

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Didn't want him them, don't want him now.

If he would have been drafted by the Browns that year he would have been out of the league by now or a backup for the Oakland Raiders.

Ben landed in a good situation with the Steelers, he already had a team that had been built up with a ground game, good recievers, decent o-line, and a great World Beater type defense.

The same could not have been said of the 2004 Browns who really had 0 Pro Bowlers on their roster on either side of the ball.
Stupidest post ever? i think so

Ben is a winner and would be a winner anywhere he went

I knew Cleveland had stupid people running their team but didn't realize their fans were also as dumb
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:52 AM   #12
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Stupidest post ever? i think so

Ben is a winner and would be a winner anywhere he went

I knew Cleveland had stupid people running their team but didn't realize their fans were also as dumb
This would have been his protection. He would have ended up where Jeff Garcia finished the season at...Injured Reserve.

62 Craig Osika, G 6-3 318 12/4/79 3 Indiana
64 Ryan Pontbriand, C 6-2 255 10/1/79 2 Rice
65 Kirk Chambers, OL 6-7 313 3/19/79 R Stanford
66 Paul Zukauskas, OL 6-5 320 7/12/79 4 Boston College
67 Melvin Fowler, OL 6-3 305 3/31/79 3 Maryland
70 Enoch DeMar, OT 6-4 320 9/7/80 2 Indiana
72 Damion Cook, OT 6-5 335 4/16/79 3 Bethune Cookman
73 Joaquin Gonzalez, OL 6-5 315 9/7/79 3 Miami Fla
75 Javiar Collins, T 6-6 322 4/13/78 4 Northwestern
77 Ross Verba, OT 6-4 305 10/31/73 8 Iowa

INJURED RESERVE
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50 Jeff Faine, C 6-3 303 4/6/81 2 Notre Dame
63 Kelvin Garmon, G 6-2 350 10/26/76 6 Baylor
72 Ryan Tucker, OT 6-6 320 6/12/75 8 TCU
75 Sterling Harris, OT 6-5 305 8/17/81 SMU


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Here are his pass targets
81 Antonio Bryant, WR 6-1 192 3/9/81 3 Pittsburgh
82 Steve Heiden, TE 6-5 265 9/21/76 6 South Dakota St.
83 Aaron Shea, TE 6-3 255 12/5/76 5 Michigan
84 Andre King, WR 5-11 195 11/26/73 4 Miami Fla
86 Dennis Northcutt, WR 5-11 175 12/22/77 5 Arizona
89 Richard Alston, WR 5-11 215 11/20/80 1 East Carolina
87 Andre Davis, WR 6-1 195 6/12/79 3 Virginia Tech (IR)
88 Chad Mustard, TE 6-6 288 10/8/77 3 North Dakota (IR)
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Here was the runningbacks from 2004

23 Adimchinobe Echema, RB 5-10 226 11/21/80 R California
31 William Green, RB 6-0 215 12/17/79 3 Boston College
42 Terrelle Smith, FB 6-0 255 3/12/78 5 Arizona St
44 Lee Suggs, RB 6-0 210 8/11/80 2 Virginia Tech
40 Ben Miller, RB 6-3 265 8/18/79 1 Air Force (IR)


What about this team do you think helps Ben out in the least? He would have been creamed.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:53 AM   #13
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We tried building from the skill positions...it failed. You (revs) just can't get past the fact that we're trying to build the team the right way now. You can't get past how bad we've been lately.

We're building the team with the lines...then working our way out. Big Ben would have been a mistake to draft...just like KW2 was. We don't need skill players when there's no line to speak of (and when he was drafted, we had no line to speak of.) Drafting Joe T was a step in the right direction. Drafting Alex Mack should be a pretty good step in the right direction. If we can fix deficiencies on our O-line and fix the issues with our Front-7 on D...we'll be a much improved team.
If you have no line you draft a MOBILE, IMPROVISATIONAL QB.

Ben is a once-in-a-generation type of QB...it was epic fail for the Browns to pass on him. You can spin this any way you like, but the fact remains: Ben would have been a gem to build a perennial winner around...fail fail fail....

Also, addressing the last post, try the following years roster...Ben could have set for a year and learned just as the Steelers had him slated to do...
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If you have no line you draft a MOBILE, IMPROVISATIONAL QB.

Ben is a once-in-a-generation type of QB...it was epic fail for the Browns to pass on him. You can spin this any way you like, but the fact remains: Ben would have been a gem to build a perennial winner around...fail fail fail....
Check the roster. He had nothing. He had no one. No quarterback, no matter how good, wins it on their own. The Browns have failed, time and time again...but Ben would have been the next Tim Couch. Out of the NFL before his time.
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2005 the browns had Reuben Droughns, Bryant, Northcutt and Edwards, up front they had Faine, Coleman, Andruzzi, Tucker and Shelton. They weren't an awesome team, but he'd have had some weapons to work with.

It's just sour grapes...Ben is a superstar QB, your team effed up and passed him by, and revisionist history can't change any of that. It's just another draft fail in a long line of drafts fails from a team that can do little right.

And your solution is to kill the messenger...
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That's assuming Ben survives the onslaught of 2004.

If we had Ben, would we have brought in Droughns?

Bryant and Northcutt are hardly the kinds of WR's that put fear into D-coordinator's hearts.

Fained was OK (at best). Colemand Andruzzi and Shelton were serviceable at best. Tucker was pretty decent. That's about it.

There's so much more to it than just simply trading out players drafted. Let's say we drafted Ben in 2004. Would that have made us a better team in 2004? By your estimation, that would have been a resounding yes.

If so, would have been able to get Edwards? That would be a no. Our improved draft position would have decreased our chances of getting another WR. Instead of getting Edwards...we would have been left with Troy Williamson or Mike Williams...unless you think they would have taken a chance on Matt Jones/Mark Clayton instead.
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Reading comprehension: I said SIT Ben in 2004...

Faine and Andruzzi are better than you are giving them credit for solely to try and drag your own team down to win an argument.

In '05, with Ben slated to take over the starting job, they probably still take Edwards and Pool #1 and #2, but #3 they'd not have taken Frye. They addressed the line in FA by signing Andruzzi and Coleman. They actually looked like they were headed in the right direction, and Ben certainly would have been a HUGE upgrade over Trent Dilfer...
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Sit Ben behind who? Health was a huge issue that season (as it has been most seasons.) Frye started because we had health issues at the QB spot. Ben would have played. Ben would have gotten hurt. Besides, according to you, the stench of ineptitude has infected the pores of everyone within the organization. Suddenly it would have stopped with the drafting of Big Ben?
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go back to that draft and tell me who the Browns should have drafted?

you guys are idiots, the Browns would trade half of their team right now for Ben
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I'm SHOCKED at the lack of knowledge of your own team...why am I explaining this to you?

In 2004 the Browns had Holcomb, Garcia and McCown on their roster...Garcia was a veteran starter and even Holcomb had experience. You most DEFINITELY sit Ben behind those guys, dump McCown and let him learn.

In case you didn't know (and it's a good bet you don't), th Steelers plans were to sit Ben behind Tommy Friggin' Maddox (but Maddox was injured early on), so sitting him for a year behind Garcia would have made good plain sense.

Please stop...you're embarrassing yourself at this point...
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