Browns | Quarterback battle remains open

[Steel Head]

Originally Posted by xfl2001fan

He wouldn't do our team too much good right now. Who's he going to throw too? Who's going to run the ball to keep the attention off of him? What defense is there to keep the games close so that he can make the big plays he makes?

1 QB is not the solution to the Browns problems. If you can't see that, that goes to show how little you know about football.

you are a complete moron.

you seriously think your team wouldn't be better off with Big Ben?

i feel bad for people that are this stupid. society has failed them somewhere along the line

[xfl2001fan]

We need much more than Big Ben...and when you consider his contract, we'd have to give up a lot of talent to have him. So yes, in this specific case, we would be worse with Ben...because we'd have much less talent to surround him with than what the Steelers have to offer.

[revefsreleets]

I just don't understand what you are still arguing for.

The drafted a QB in the third the next year who had many of the same attributes of Ben MINUS his arm-strength. You can't use 20/20 hindsight on Garcia, stating that he was on the IR proves nothing OTHER than that they knew he (and Dilfer) were mere stop-gaps.

The Browns effed up in 2004. There were 3 premier QB's, one was left on the board when their number was up, and they picked a high strung, temperamental borderline thug TE instead of Ben.

They DID take considerable steps to upgrade their line in '05. Droughns was a weapon in the backfield. 2005 would have been a break-out year for Ben Roethlisberger had he been picked up by the Browns.

Finally, using Ben's resulting contract, based on his early success, is having it both ways: If he'd fail with the Browns, his contract would not have been 102 million, conversely, if he HAD the success (which he would have because he just THAT good), the Browns would have gladly paid him (and probably paid him more than the Steelers did).

This is a stupid argument, you lost it 20 posts ago, and I'm done with it...

[RodWoodsonwasprettycool]

Anyone who is arguing that Ben would be anywhere NEAR as successful with the Browns is foolish.

http://slam.canoe.ca/StatsFBP/BC-FBP...LANDROS-R.html

THIS is the roster he would have been. Even if you put Joe Montana or Otto Graham as starting QB, I doubt like all hell they would have been able to succeed. There is absolutely no one to throw the ball, no offensive line, very little in defensive help and good luck finding someone to hand the ball of to.

He would have FAILED here, absolutely FAILED. To the point where he would have been booed out of town by 2007 IMO.

Now lets compare that to this

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...004_roster.htm

A team with 8 Pro Bowlers, a great defense and one that had made the AFC title game a couple of times. Quite different than an expansion team that had little in terms of talents. Oh, did I also mention that the front office actually could function well and that the coaching staff was amongst the best in the NFL.

A QB wouldn't have fixed the Browns problems. PERIOD. They lacked depth, lacked an o-line, lacked a decent coaching staff, lacked a decent GM, lacked a RB. Everything that the Steelers had, the Browns didn't back then. Hell, they still don't have it all together.

They don't need a QB, nor did they need one back then. They need to fix those problems first before they can even think about doing those.

The Browns didn't do bad here, In fact, they at least got one Pro Bowl season out of Winslow and a trade that eventually netted us Massaquoi. If Ben had been drafted by us, I doubt the same could be said.

[MasterOfPuppets]

Originally Posted by Dino 6 Rings

Here I bust out my best girl voice in the song Paradise by the Dashboard lights by Meatloaf...

STOP RIGHT THERE.

I remember the day we drafted Ben. I had a tear on my cheek from the utter joy I felt at having finally Drafting a Fcking QB with the First Round Pick. Everything about Ben told me, he could do the job. While Rivers and Eli were doing their little dance at the top of the draft board, I was witnessing a Future Super Bowl Winner being drafted by my team. And I KNEW IT on Draft Day. My wife looked at me, sitting on the couch and said "what's the matter" and I said, "Nothing...its all going to be good now. We drafted Ben Roethlisberger out of Miami Ohio. We haven't drafted a QB in the first round since Terry Bradshaw. We are going to finally win the Super Bowl again."

So the Browns EPIC FAIL. for sure on that one. Just like the Steelers Epic Failed for not Drafting Dan Marino out of Pitt.

mark malone ...

[Dino 6 Rings]

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

mark malone ...

Exactly!

Don't kid yourself there are teams kicking themselves for NOT Drafting Ben.

SD Eli Manning QB (Great Pick, bad trade to the Giants)
Oak Robert Gallery T (good pick)
Ari Larry Fitz WR (Great Pick)
NYG Philip Rivers QB (Ok Pick, got ELI so its a great pick for them to get Eli.)
Wash Sean Taylor CB (Sad Pick)
Cle Kellen Winslow Jr TE (Ok Pick)
Det Roy Williams WR (Bad Pick that high On his 2nd team)
Atl DeAngelo Hall (Bad Pick already on his 3rd team)
Jax Reggie Williams WR (Bad Pick they still don't have receivers down in Jacksonville)
Hous Dunta Robinsone (ok Pick)
Pittsburgh Big Ben (Best Pick for Value in this Draft)

[Dino 6 Rings]

2004 is going to be considered one of the Best QB Draft Classes of all time. To have "missed" that year is a true Epic Fail.

just like in 1983. John Elway drafted #1, Eric Dickerson #2, Jim Kelly drafted at #14, and Dan Marino Drafted at #27. Lots of teams "missed" that year too. On 2 guys.

6 Hall of Famers drafted in the 1st round in 1983.

[Dino 6 Rings]

Oh and for the record, Malone was already on the roster, which is why we skipped on Marino, we didn't take Malone instead of Marino, we drafted Gave Rivera in the first round in 1983. He was later paralyzed in a Drunk Driving car wreck that same year.

[Killer]

Let us review....

[RodWoodsonwasprettycool]

Originally Posted by Killer

Let us review....

I'll take the high road and not make any reference to a certain QB's legal troubles in regards to the pic. But probably the worst possible pic. you could post at the moment.

And for the record, I like a guy like Quinn on the roster. He's smart, grew up a Browns fan and is overall a good guy. At the practice I went to he stayed after 30 minutes signing autographs for kids after everyone else had left the field. He's a good person and one that I'm proud to see on the Browns.

Granted, he could be the next Kyle Boller but I trust him as starting QB over Derek Anderson at the moment.