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Old 08-18-2009, 03:07 PM   #1
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As you ponder your position on “obamacare”, “nationalized health care”, “the public option” or whatever the donkeys call it to foist this “health care” or “health insurance” bull@#$% on us, consider all that the donkeys have done to us through “social programs” in the past.

“Soshacurity”, as it were, is but one litany of examples of how the donkeys strap us with a massive socialist program and its “promises”, then “administration” after “administration” warp, distort, and rescind the promises, then outright rob the coffers of the funds they confiscated from us.

FDR (the embodiment of evil) “introduced” the Social Security (FICA) Program. He Promised:

1. That participation in the program would be completely voluntary,
2. That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the program,
3. That the money the participants elected to put Into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,
4. That the money the participants put into the “independent Trust Fund” rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement program, and no other gubmint program, and
5. That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

As it happened, the part about “never be taxed as income” never made into law. What a surprise.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for decades and are now receiving a Social Security check every month, and then find that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the gubmint to “put away”, you may be interested in the following:

In 1958 the donkey congress voted to remove some funds from Social Security and put it into the general fund for congress to spend. Their “logic” was that there was so much money in Social Security fund that it would never run out or be “used up” for the purpose it was intended.

Then along came LBJ, the ideological “son” of ol’ evil incarnate himself; the “architect” of the “great society” and the “war on poverty” that set new spending standards for the donkeys by pissing $ Trillions down rat holes. “Why, we jis wanna hep y’all”. And as donkeys do when they control the White House and both houses of congress, they took Social Security from the “independent Trust Fund” and put it into the general fund so that congress could spend it. The “deal” ol’ evil incarnate made with the electorate to put their money in a “safe place” so it’d be there for them in their old age was broken.

Not to be outdone by LBJ, the ideological “grandson” of ol’ evil incarnate himself, the great peanut farmer from Georgia, began giving immigrants who moved into this country social security payments at age 65, even though they never paid a dime into it! Again we see what the donkeys do when they control the White House and both houses of congress. As this is just about the donkey’s “Soshacurity” sham, I won’t comment of the fiasco the rest of the Carter “administration” was and the sad condition he left our country in after only one term.

In 1983 the donkey congress “introduced” us to “Soshacurity” taxation. Initially retirees were taxed on 50% of their benefits. Yes, Dutch signed it into law because he didn’t have the votes to sustain a veto.

Then along came Boy Clinton, the ideological “great grandson” of ol’ evil incarnate himself. You may recall that his charming wife made a run at nationalizing “health care” that turned into a train wreck for the donkeys, but I digress. But the Clintons, the good socialists that they were, took a run on “Soshacurity” and raised the tax threshold to 85%, and eliminated the tax deduction for “Soshacurity” (FICA) withholding. Talk about getting screwed and not getting kissed. Yet another shining example of what the donkeys do when they control the White House and both houses of congress.

So after all these socialist bastards have done to us with “Soshacurity”, they and their “media” stooges have a significant portion of the electorate believing that it is the elephants that “want to take away your ‘Soshacurity’.”. That is just rich. And to boot, congress gives themselves 100% retirement for only serving one term!!! You can’t make this @#$% up.

So, here we are with the donkeys once again controlling the White House and both houses of congress. And once again we are being presented with another “Why, we jis wanna hep y’all”. We’re being told that we need to trash the best health care system on the planet because there are 10 million “chronically uninsured” among us.

We’re being asked to ignore history, and to believe and trust the current socialist bastards to give us a “good deal” and then honor it. How’s that “Soshacurity” working out folks? Yeah, folks that trusted their gubmint and live on “Soshacurity” are living on cat food. How’s that “Great Society” doing? Now instead of bussing, we have forced “poverty” thresholds that “must” be met in suburban public “schools”. Hey Black America, how’s the “war on poverty” treating you? The statistics don’t lie. Medicare has been a hit too, hasn’t it?

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have". Thomas Jefferson
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:16 PM   #2
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FDR is "the embodiment of evil"?

Errrrrr....oooooookayyyyy....

FDR's policies were largely supposed to be temporary. Kind of hard to blame him for the ensuing mess, isn't it?
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Well, a ton of government programs go awry because ensuing generations of politicians start spending the money on other things instead.

Here, we've got another great example of that with the San Francisco Bay Bridge ... after they built it in the 1930s, they put a 30-cent toll in place for 10 years to pay for the construction, and after that the toll was supposed to go away.

Of course, by the time the 10 years were up, they were spending the toll money for maintenance, because they figured that way they could spend all the money in the state highway fund on other things. Then they decided to jack up the toll to a dollar to pay for road construction. Now it also pays for trains, city buses, and other things. My favorite being a huge project to overhaul every single road bridge in the state (3,000+ in all) in case they fall over in a massive earthquake, which has happened exactly twice in the last 100 years. During that project, they messed up on one of the first bridges and it collapsed and killed a few people. Good job increasing safety, guys. The toll is $4 and they're talking about raising it again.
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FDR is "the embodiment of evil"?

Errrrrr....oooooookayyyyy....

FDR's policies were largely supposed to be temporary. Kind of hard to blame him for the ensuing mess, isn't it?
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To be fair, this kind of stuff is just as bad as the super liberal ultra-biased one-sided stuff that the other side publishes.

That's why they need each other...too balance the World out.
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FDR is "the embodiment of evil"?

Errrrrr....oooooookayyyyy....

FDR's policies were largely supposed to be temporary. Kind of hard to blame him for the ensuing mess, isn't it?
They were HIS "temporary" policies that were in place to BECOME permament in the first place. So yeah, I guess I, for one, CAN blame him for the ensuing mess.
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To be fair, this kind of stuff is just as bad as the super liberal ultra-biased one-sided stuff that the other side publishes.

That's why they need each other...too balance the World out.
Not sure I can buy into that "to balance the World out" mentality when it's the "socialist" programs that have been implimented that have so screwed things up in this country. Thus proving the old adage, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Every one of these "oh so sweet" sounding programs that had the BEST of intentions have F'd things up royal and put too damn much power in the hands of the federal government.
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To be fair, this kind of stuff is just as bad as the super liberal ultra-biased one-sided stuff that the other side publishes.
So making reference to the donkey's sordid record of public trust is just as bad as donkey behavior? Their history betrays them to be the liars and thieves that they are. None are isolated instances. To the contrary, they reveal the same cynical regard they have held those that elected throughout their history.

I refer to FDR as the "embodiment of evil" because of what he did, and what he allowed to happen. That isn't rhetoric.

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Every one of these "oh so sweet" sounding programs that had the BEST of intentions have F'd things up royal and put too damn much power in the hands of the federal government.
Their intentions are to increase their own power and make the citizens beholden to the gubmint.

Seriously people, do you think there is a politician or bureaucrat in any gubmint that gives a @#$% if you die in festers and boils?
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where would social security be now had the privatization proposal been enacted ?
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A recent Center for American Progress Action Fund report found that if a worker had retired on October 1, 2008 after 35 years of contributions to private retirement accounts, that retiree would have lost nearly $30,000 in retirement funds because of the downturn in the stock market over the last two years.

Part of the reason Bush’s push failed was that very few people actually believed he was trying to reform Social Security and instead thought he was trying to dismantle it. Even back in 2005, despite a lack of support for privatization, the Bush administration was insisting that their efforts were a “great success.”
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So if you take Vincints information - social security enacted and ultimately abused and turned into a failure - and MOPs informatoin - Bush's ideas to privatize it could not have improved the social security program and may have in fact financially strapped retirees - what can we learn from this ?

I don't know, maybe THE GOVERNMENT NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED IN PEOPLES RETIREMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE ?!!

Let's take a good hard look at this lesson before deciding if you want government to take over health care. Thank you for listening.
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