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Old 08-21-2009, 05:36 PM   #11
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Default Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern

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Have you seen the numbers for Republicans? Sure Obama's is slipping a bit but I think its more to do with his screwing around over this subject so independents and democrats are getting a little antsy thinking he might be caving and not gonna do anything.

It's not Obamas handling of it that is "making independants and democrats antsy"....it's that they DO NOT want his plan....PERIOD.

However it looks like he tossed one more line to the Republicans... One without a public option... They bit the cheese and were still against it. So Howard Dean pretty much stated it had to have a public option afterwards.

Of course they're "still against it" becuase they've been against it from the start. It has nothing to do with how he's handling it. And by the way, we're smart enough to know that "co-op" is equal to "public option".He never expected this kind of oppositin to it. The more he redresses it but pushes it, the more his #s plummet.

This is more health insurance reform not than universal healthcare. They are just coming into the market to offer competition to lower prices and increase quality since largely its been unchecked. So prices are going up and quality is dropping. Of course there will have to be something done to address the ones who wont be able to afford coverage after this bill starts coming into effect...

He's changed his rhetoric to make it sound like it's about "insurance reform". It has always been about universal healthcare though.

Should it pass.


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Old 08-21-2009, 05:41 PM   #12
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That's one part that I don't think is going to make a difference. At the place where I work, 15% on top of the payroll gets spent on health insurance. Obamacare wants to charge an 8% tax if you didn't offer health care. It's like ... OK, why wouldn't we just drop the company health insurance and send everyone to the government plan if it would cut our costs in half?

That's pretty much what's going to happen.

Of course, that leaves the question of how good you can expect the government program to be if there's only half as much money to go around...

Um...not very good I'm guessin
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Old 08-21-2009, 05:47 PM   #13
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Have you seen the numbers for Republicans? Sure Obama's is slipping a bit but I think its more to do with his screwing around over this subject so independents and democrats are getting a little antsy thinking he might be caving and not gonna do anything.

However it looks like he tossed one more line to the Republicans... One without a public option... They bit the cheese and were still against it. So Howard Dean pretty much stated it had to have a public option afterwards.

This is more health insurance reform not than universal healthcare. They are just coming into the market to offer competition to lower prices and increase quality since largely its been unchecked. So prices are going up and quality is dropping. Of course there will have to be something done to address the ones who wont be able to afford coverage after this bill starts coming into effect...

Should it pass.
Bu, bu, bu. . . Republicans. SOS, DT.

Not to be disrespectful at all, ST, but being an Obaaaaaama apologist doesn't change the fact that his approval rating (overall) is on the downslope and he is being shown for the epic failure he is (and we who didn't vote for him) knew he would be.
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Old 08-21-2009, 05:48 PM   #14
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Huh?

I already said 33% will cling to Obama no matter what...and I mean he could come out and say that we should all donate 50% of our income to ACORN and they'd still back him 100%. People just lose their MINDS over this character.

Anyway, I am beginning to wonder about the GOP "scorched Earth" policy towards anything dealing with healthcare. Being the party of "no" is not what we need to be right now. It's time to step up to the plate and swat these silly twits right in the face with some serious common sense fixes for this system that has a sound foundation but is rotting a little.

I thought it could wait until after mid-terms, but things are getting bad...we need a clear voice from the right to emerge soon with some simple common sense that appeals to the middle-right majority of this country.
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What I found funny, is that they put Obama's approval rating at what? 57% based on a poll published today?

Try realclearpolitics. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...oval-1044.html

His approval rating is around 52 percent.
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Regardless, as the deficits build, more and more promises are broken, and less and less actually gets done, his numbers will continue to slide down towards his inevitable nadir of 33%.
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Bu, bu, bu. . . Republicans. SOS, DT.

Not to be disrespectful at all, ST, but being an Obaaaaaama apologist doesn't change the fact that his approval rating (overall) is on the downslope and he is being shown for the epic failure he is (and we who didn't vote for him) knew he would be.
My point was I wouldn't write him off as a one termer just yet. Granted he's down, he's not below 50% yet. Creeping that way... But still. As compared to many Republicans who are polling roughly around 15 to 20%. So its Obama's race to loose at this point.

So while people might not like Obama as well as they once did. They aren't yet on the boat to put the Republicans back in. But hell its early in the game, so I guess we'll have to wait till we get a little closer to 2012 to see which way it goes.

As far as getting a bill passed. It really depends... Its been made clear that no Republicans are gonna vote for this. And the way Rahm Emanuel was talking everyone is coming to that same conclusion. They are more looking at pressuring the loose Blue Dogs into the deal right now.

So whether or not it passes remains to be seen. It just depends on how hard Obama fights for it really. Still might not pass, but this is the best shot the Dem's are gonna get at ramming this thing through for possibly many years. So its more or less do or die now.

Sec. Treasurer AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka has stated. That anyone who goes against this bill wont get a dime from labor. All be it a lot of Blue Dogs get a large chunk from the Health sector. So the Blue Dogs are starting to feel more and more heat.
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He's a one termer. Nothing good will ever come from his ideas of "change". Unless you want to be a socialist.
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Huh?

I already said 33% will cling to Obama no matter what...and I mean he could come out and say that we should all donate 50% of our income to ACORN and they'd still back him 100%. People just lose their MINDS over this character.

Anyway, I am beginning to wonder about the GOP "scorched Earth" policy towards anything dealing with healthcare. Being the party of "no" is not what we need to be right now. It's time to step up to the plate and swat these silly twits right in the face with some serious common sense fixes for this system that has a sound foundation but is rotting a little.

I thought it could wait until after mid-terms, but things are getting bad...we need a clear voice from the right to emerge soon with some simple common sense that appeals to the middle-right majority of this country.

We're not the party of no. We're the party of "no socialism, please". Look, you mentioned a "clear voice from the right", but what you may not hear it in the media is that there are plenty of Republicans talking about ways to reform health care, health insurance....ways that will not include a government takeover.
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Default Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern

Right now NOTHING gets passed in the Senate because Byrd and Kennedy are too sick to vote, and THEY are votes 59 and 60 to block a filibuster.

And that's a good thing. The bill as it stands now is a piece of shit. Why do you think they are trying to sneak it through? Why do you think the Unions support it? Why do you think the AARP's membership dropped by 60,000 members the SECOND they endorsed this lump of crap? Why do you think Obama is actively telling US citizens to sit down and shut up?

The AFL-CIO's days are over, and this is probably their death knell as they head into irrelevancy. I don't think they have enough pull to make anyone vote for a stupid bill that will costs trillions and fix nothing just because a few thousand remaining Union voters won't vote for them if they don't.
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