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Old 08-21-2009, 05:30 PM   #21
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We're not the party of no. We're the party of "no socialism, please". Look, you mentioned a "clear voice from the right", but what you may not hear it in the media is that there are plenty of Republicans talking about ways to reform health care, health insurance....ways that will not include a government takeover.
Please...that convener-belt cookie cutter nonsense doesn't work on me. There are alternatives, but the GOP IS engaging in a scorched Earth policy right now. THAT IS their alternative...

It's time for more...
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Old 08-21-2009, 05:31 PM   #22
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My point was I wouldn't write him off as a one termer just yet. Granted he's down, he's not below 50% yet. Creeping that way... But still. As compared to many Republicans who are polling roughly around 15 to 20%. So its Obama's race to loose at this point.

I'm pretty sure Obamas already sealed his fate as a "one and done'r

So while people might not like Obama as well as they once did. They aren't yet on the boat to put the Republicans back in. But hell its early in the game, so I guess we'll have to wait till we get a little closer to 2012 to see which way it goes.

actually, a lot of polls are showing a lot more trust being put back in Republicans.....at least compared to Dems.

As far as getting a bill passed. It really depends... Its been made clear that no Republicans are gonna vote for this. And the way Rahm Emanuel was talking everyone is coming to that same conclusion. They are more looking at pressuring the loose Blue Dogs into the deal right now.

Pelosi started brow beating the Blue Dogs before the August break.

So whether or not it passes remains to be seen. It just depends on how hard Obama fights for it really. Still might not pass, but this is the best shot the Dem's are gonna get at ramming this thing through for possibly many years. So its more or less do or die now.

I vote "die"

Sec. Treasurer AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka has stated. That anyone who goes against this bill wont get a dime from labor. All be it a lot of Blue Dogs get a large chunk from the Health sector. So the Blue Dogs are starting to feel more and more heat.

you almost sound glad the AFL-CIO may cause this legislation to be passed against the will of a majority of the American people.
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Old 08-21-2009, 05:41 PM   #23
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No, it's not.

We need, and should be DEMANDING more from our party. Yes, Obama is a twit and is ramming his proverbial Titanic into the iceberg, but that is not enough. We need a captain that changes course and steers us clear of the threat...

First thing they'll have to do is shut down the trial lawyers...good luck with that!
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:09 PM   #24
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Please...that convener-belt cookie cutter nonsense doesn't work on me. There are alternatives, but the GOP IS engaging in a scorched Earth policy right now. THAT IS their alternative...

It's time for more...

AS I SAID, REV....there are some good ideas being talked about by Conservatives/Republicans in congress, they're just not being talked about by the media enough. They are not getting exposure. Maybe we're lost in the magnitude of this colossal abomination known as Obama care. I do fault Republicans for not getting THEIR message out and PUSHING MORE for some good ideas they have, but I don't know, maybe they're focused on killing this government takeover Obamas shoving down our throats.

As I've stated before, we need to kill this thing first, THEN sit down and talk about GOOD changes we can make so health care doesn't suffer and more Americans can be covered.

What I've heard suggested by Republicans....in no particular order...
1. Tort reform. Stop some of the bullshit lawsuits.
2. Shorten the "patent" period on drugs, get generics on the market faster.(yes, I've heard Obama speak of this too...kudos.)
3. Some regulation for pricing on drugs, health insurance premiums. But not in a way that squelches competition which drives prices down. Keep it reasonable.
4. Contract periods on health insurance policies, say...20 year contract so the insurance company can't drop ya if you get ill say, 5 years in.
5. Being able to buy health insurance policies accross state lines. Shop for the best price/coverage.
6. Give doctors tax credit for volunteering their time to "free clinics" and the like.

I have heard Obama talk about "pooling small business and individuals so they can get group discounts".....um, that's already being done. I know 'cause that's how I got my policy years ago.
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No, it's not.

We need, and should be DEMANDING more from our party. Yes, Obama is a twit and is ramming his proverbial Titanic into the iceberg, but that is not enough. We need a captain that changes course and steers us clear of the threat...

First thing they'll have to do is shut down the trial lawyers...good luck with that!
Right now, the America people are steering us clear of the threat. AMEN.

So there's no mistake, I'm not putting my faith in the Republican party (as a whole). We definately have some house cleaning of our own to do. BIG TIME. And I still think there are some Blue Dogs who are gonna vote "no" on this bill...I appluad them.

What we need, is to clean house, get some good old fashioned TRUE conserative leadership who will listen to the people, not big business. I'm not against corporate America...I'm against corporate America having more pull in the Republican party than you or I do. Actually, I'm against big business or ANY special interest group having more pull than the people. That has got to change. We need new blood.

By the way rev, when I say "REVOLUTION !!! is coming, I mean by the America people taking their parties back from the extreme left liberals AND from big business. It's gonna happen. Just watch and see.
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Bu, bu, bu. . . Republicans. SOS, DT.


dont talk about republicans guys.

especially the silly notion that one will rise from the ashes in 2012 (which is far too little, to late) to swoop in and save the day.

you guys got sarah palin. thats about it.

good luck.

obama was being worked into the game back in 2004. like it or hate it, the GOP is too consumed with blaming the media (and everything else under the sun) to simply understand the strategies that go on to building up a candidate and being able to actually carry out a cohesive campaign.

as long as the likes of those morons limbaugh and beck are seen as the voices of your party, you guys are screwed.

while the left is swinging for the fences, you guys are "batting" for the "moon".
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dont talk about republicans guys.

especially the silly notion that one will rise from the ashes in 2012 (which is far too little, to late) to swoop in and save the day.

you guys got sarah palin. thats about it.

good luck.

obama was being worked into the game back in 2004. like it or hate it, the GOP is too consumed with blaming the media (and everything else under the sun) to simply understand the strategies that go on to building up a candidate and being able to actually carry out a cohesive campaign.

as long as the likes of those morons limbaugh and beck are seen as the voices of your party, you guys are screwed.

while the left is swinging for the fences, you guys are "batting" for the "moon".
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while the left is swinging from the obaama nad sack, you guys will make sure its a one term prez.

Fixed it for ya.


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obama was being worked into the game back in 2004. like it or hate it, the GOP is too consumed with blaming the media (and everything else under the sun) to simply understand the strategies that go on to building up a candidate and being able to actually carry out a cohesive campaign.
Yeah, right.

Obama's "campaign strategy" in a nutshell:

Endlessly repeating the mantras "HOPE!" and "CHANGE!" about 150 million times, give or take, while repeating approximately the same number of times to the huddled masses how Bush was evil incarnate (while saying literally nothing else). Of course, now that he's in, we're supposed to simply ignore the fact that he's been adopting the "Evil, Satanic, Idiot Chimpy McFlightsuit's failed policies" by the truckload since he's been elected. But of course, now they're wonderful policies, right?

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especially the silly notion that one will rise from the ashes in 2012 (which is far too little, to late) to swoop in and save the day.

you guys got sarah palin. thats about it.

good luck.
Stop it hipcheese - you're killin' me!

If Obaaaaaaaama is the best your party has, which, sadly, it appears he is, the GOP could put up Sponge Bob and he'd win in '12. Your own party is starting to turn on him one by one. Like you - they will never admit that putting this dunderhead on a pedestal and pimping him as their nominee was the biggest mistake they could have made. Hell - it might cost some of them their precious cushy House and Senate seats.
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