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Old 08-21-2009, 08:51 PM   #31
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: Hell - it will cost some of them their precious cushy House and Senate seats.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:30 PM   #32
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Right now, the America people are steering us clear of the threat. AMEN.

So there's no mistake, I'm not putting my faith in the Republican party (as a whole). We definately have some house cleaning of our own to do. BIG TIME. And I still think there are some Blue Dogs who are gonna vote "no" on this bill...I appluad them.

What we need, is to clean house, get some good old fashioned TRUE conserative leadership who will listen to the people, not big business. I'm not against corporate America...I'm against corporate America having more pull in the Republican party than you or I do. Actually, I'm against big business or ANY special interest group having more pull than the people. That has got to change. We need new blood.

By the way rev, when I say "REVOLUTION !!! is coming, I mean by the America people taking their parties back from the extreme left liberals AND from big business. It's gonna happen. Just watch and see.
I have to agree here.

What's really killing me right now is that this is a GOLDEN opportunity for the Republicans to get their true message out and try to sway voters over to their side, and IMO, they are fumbling the ball big time. It's not enough to simply be opposed to Obama's policies - they also need to point out in detail what their alternatives are. Instead, they are sitting on their hands and letting the media define who they are, and they can't let that happen. And, as you said, it also wouldn't hurt if they would stop being so beholden to corporate America and allowing guys like Limbaugh, Beck and, locally, Jim Quinn, to speak for them. Far-right conservatives, to me, are just as bad as far-left liberals. I'd like to have a reason to vote FOR a Republican in 2012, something other than "it's not Obama." My vote is right there for the taking, because there's no way in hell I'm voting for Obama. If they don't get it, it isn't going to anyone at all. It's as simple as that.
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I have to agree here.

What's really killing me right now is that this is a GOLDEN opportunity for the Republicans to get their true message out and try to sway voters over to their side, and IMO, they are fumbling the ball big time. It's not enough to simply be opposed to Obama's policies - they also need to point out in detail what their alternatives are. Instead, they are sitting on their hands and letting the media define who they are, and they can't let that happen. And, as you said, it also wouldn't hurt if they would stop being so beholden to corporate America and allowing guys like Limbaugh, Beck and, locally, Jim Quinn, to speak for them. Far-right conservatives, to me, are just as bad as far-left liberals. I'd like to have a reason to vote FOR a Republican in 2012, something other than "it's not Obama." My vote is right there for the taking, because there's no way in hell I'm voting for Obama. If they don't get it, it isn't going to anyone at all. It's as simple as that.
The GOP stepping on its dick might turn out for the best--but only if they screw up so badly that they disappear into oblivion. Then a credible conservative party can replace them as the opposition to the D's.
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The GOP stepping on its dick might turn out for the best--but only if they screw up so badly that they disappear into oblivion. Then a credible conservative party can replace them as the opposition to the D's.
Well I won't go so far as to say I hope the GOP steps on it's dick OR goes into oblivion, but I did email a buddy recently about a possible new party coming out of all this. Not sure we could be a three party country, and I can't really see a whole new party on the horizon, however, I feel like there are about as many Democrats about ready to jump ship as their are Republicans. So I think what's most likely to happen is your really gonna see one of the partys go through a major overhaul and come out on the other side looking like something most Americans could get behind. For that to happen, we have to get rid of influence from big business AND special interest groups.

Heck, maybe BOTH parties will get some new blood and BOTH parties will start representing "we the people". Wow, am I the l'il optimist, or what ?
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Well I won't go so far as to say I hope the GOP steps on it's dick OR goes into oblivion, but I did email a buddy recently about a possible new party coming out of all this. Not sure we could be a three party country, and I can't really see a whole new party on the horizon, however, I feel like there are about as many Democrats about ready to jump ship as their are Republicans. So I think what's most likely to happen is your really gonna see one of the partys go through a major overhaul and come out on the other side looking like something most Americans could get behind. For that to happen, we have to get rid of influence from big business AND special interest groups.

Heck, maybe BOTH parties will get some new blood and BOTH parties will start representing "we the people". Wow, am I the l'il optimist, or what ?

Its called the Socialist party.
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ONE little factor that was left out of Obama's "Run since 2004".

When he forsook public money (read: lied about it), he was able to outspend McCain by as much as 8-1 in key battleground states.

Change? Not so much...just good ole fashioned election buying...
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