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Old 09-30-2009, 11:57 PM   #21
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I dont understand the thought process of the Browns when they hired Mangini. You had just fired a guy that was from the same system and you bring in his replacement in New England. I could understand the thinking of he runs the same system and they was 10-6 the season before. But could they have not waited for Rex Ryan or Todd Haley?
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Or Bill Cowher? That's who they really want...maybe this was just a "place mat" hiring, somebody to sit there and occupy space until Cowher is ready to coach. he is, after all, who they covet the most.

As for Lerner, I think his original intentions were solid. He was modeling the organization after the 49ers of the 80's...only problem was that philosophy stopped working in the 90's when the league evolved and moved on...
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another one bites the dust.... oh wait dont they all bite the dust in cleveland

They should make Let The Bodies Hit The Floor by Drowning Pool there theme song since it seems whoever puts on that ugly Brown and orange kills there Carrer
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Or Bill Cowher? That's who they really want...maybe this was just a "place mat" hiring, somebody to sit there and occupy space until Cowher is ready to coach. he is, after all, who they covet the most.

As for Lerner, I think his original intentions were solid. He was modeling the organization after the 49ers of the 80's...only problem was that philosophy stopped working in the 90's when the league evolved and moved on...
Cowher told Lerner that he had no interest whatsoever in coaching the Cleveland Browns before Lerner started the latest coaching "search".

For some reason he totally fell for Mangina when he got word that the Jets canned him. There was nobody else he wanted.

Now as a coach your players don't have to like you, but they should respect you. Most of the Jets players didn't like OR respect Eric Mangini.

So now the Browns have a head coach who is only into his fourth week of his first season in Cleveland and he is close to losing the locker room, and he has probably already lost Quinn and some of the other guys in the locker room.
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Or Bill Cowher? That's who they really want...maybe this was just a "place mat" hiring, somebody to sit there and occupy space until Cowher is ready to coach. he is, after all, who they covet the most.

As for Lerner, I think his original intentions were solid. He was modeling the organization after the 49ers of the 80's...only problem was that philosophy stopped working in the 90's when the league evolved and moved on...
Cowher is not going to take the job. I'd be shocked quite frankly. And really, I think it has nothing to do with loyalty to the Rooney's, not wanting to step on Pittsburgh toes, or hating Cleveland.

I really think he's either done with coaching or just waiting for a perfect opportunity (AKA Carolina) to fall into his lap. Cleveland, even though he's said before he has a lot of respect for the Browns and has been seen on eBay actually signing Browns helmets (believe it or not), is not that opportunity. It's light years away from being a contender and quite frankly is going to take at the very least 2-3 years to build to be at least a playoff team.

I'd love to see it happen though and would fully support such a move. He doesn't even have to coach really, even being a F.O./President type of thing would work out great IMO. If I were the Browns I'd even offer him a share of the team if he'd be interested.

I'd really like us to get Shanahan though, as a realistic choice. I think the zone-blocking scheme could work wonders in Cleveland.

Just no more Belichick disciples please.
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unfortunately shanahan wouldnt touch the browns with a 10 foot pole. theres only a small handfull of teams he will look at, and insiders say washington and dallas are 2 of them.
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unfortunately shanahan wouldnt touch the browns with a 10 foot pole. theres only a small handfull of teams he will look at, and insiders say washington and dallas are 2 of them.
hmmm...well..that rules him out.

damn shame too.

Gruden is another name that stands out, but I'm a bit fearful that he'll just be Mangini pt. 2 from what I've heard from people from Tampa.

Dungy seems like a guy that would intrigue me. But, I think he may be in the same boat as Cowher. Would be ironic though, a former Steelers ST player, coaching/managing the Browns, the reverse of Cowher's situation with the Steelers.

Schottenheimer I keeping say is a top pick of mine. I would like anyone off of his tree quite frankly (other than Herm Edwards )
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Seriously, I feel bad for Browns fans. They are loyal to the bone, and deserve better than this.
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unfortunately shanahan wouldnt touch the browns with a 10 foot pole. theres only a small handfull of teams he will look at, and insiders say washington and dallas are 2 of them.
after dallas chokes this year, phillips will be canned... bank on shanny in big D.
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Correction: Cowher told Lerner he has no interest in coaching AT THIS TIME. He HAS stated in the past that the Browns job is one he IS interested in. It could still happen...

Anyway, Tim Couch chimes in...I agree with him, and who would know better about having a career with potential destroyed by a numbskulled coaching staff?

http://www.ohio.com/sports/63168877.html

Former Browns quarterback Couch defends Quinn and Anderson

By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sports writer

POSTED: 06:22 p.m. EDT, Oct 01, 2009

BEREA: Former Browns quarterback Tim Couch believes that Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson can succeed in the NFL.

But perhaps not with the Browns, especially if the two are subjected to the same mishandling that he and Kelly Holcomb experienced six years ago.

Couch joined the ranks of former NFL players decrying the lack of talent on the 2009 Browns, winless going into the home game Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals. And Couch thinks that way even while sticking up for coach Eric Mangini.

''You could put any quarterback on that team and he wouldn't be successful,'' Couch said in a telephone interview Wednesday night. ''It's tough to coach a quarterback in that type environment.

''They've got a good coaching staff; they're going in the right direction. Coach Mangini was pretty successful with the Jets. But he's in a tough situation, too. It's like Butch Davis and Chris Palmer when they took over, the talent level as a team wasn't there.''

The first overall pick in 1999, Couch splits time between homes in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and Lexington, Ky., with his wife, Heather, and their two sons, Chase, 4, and Brady, 6 months. When it was suggested that his sons' names sound like quarterbacks, Couch said, ''That's what we were going for.''

While occasionally serving as an analyst for University of Kentucky football, Couch keeps up with the Browns through former tight end Aaron Shea. Couch is godfather to Shea's oldest daughter and visited the family in Westlake in August, attending a preseason game.

The 2007 season, when the Browns went 10-6 and fell a game shy of the playoffs, convinced Couch that his old team was finally breaking out of the doldrums.

''Derek Anderson went to the Pro Bowl, they had a good offensive line, Jamal Lewis was on a roll, they had good receivers, Braylon [Edwards] had a good year,'' Couch said. ''All of a sudden last year, they went backwards.''

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While the team struggles to rebuild, Couch cautioned Mangini about going down the same road as Davis, who played musical quarterbacks with Couch and Holcomb in 2003.

Mangini started Quinn, the 22nd pick in the 2007 draft, for the first three games, but lifted him at halftime Sunday at Baltimore when the Browns trailed 20-0. On Wednesday, Mangini announced that he was installing Anderson as the starter this weekend, but he gave no indication how long Anderson's stint would last.

To Couch, that sounded reminiscent of what he and Holcomb went through in 2003. Holcomb started the first three games, then suffered what Davis deemed ''a teeny, tiny'' fracture of his right fibula at San Francisco. Couch took over for five games, but was replaced late in the third quarter against San Diego, then sprained his right thumb the following week in a start at New England. Holcomb was in command until Game 13 against St. Louis, when he was yanked after two second-quarter interceptions. He sat on the bench behind Couch the rest of the season.

The next year, Jeff Garcia took over at quarterback and Couch was out of football, suffering from a torn rotator cuff, bicep and labrum in his right shoulder. He said he tore his rotator cuff again when he was about to sign with Indianapolis in 2005.

Couch said Holcomb has visited him at his home in Kentucky and he plays in Holcomb's annual golf tournament in Murfreesboro, Tenn. They still discuss 2003.

''We talk all the time what a miserable situation it was and we only had to deal with it one season,'' Couch said. ''You almost had to play a perfect game to keep your job. As a quarterback, you can't say, 'If I have a bad game, I'm not going to be playing.' You've got to play loose. You can't do it with that on your mind, knowing you're going to be benched.

''It's a different position than any other position on the field. Once a coach starts going back and forth and the team is unsure, that's a bad situation. In my opinion, nothing ruins a locker room like a quarterback controversy. The team needs a guy they can count on. Once a quarterback loses his luster, being the guy, being the leader, gets pulled out of a game, it's a pretty tough situation in the locker room.''

Advice from Couch

Quinn is 1-5 as a starter over two seasons, Anderson 13-14. Couch worries that Quinn's benching could damage his confidence.

''It definitely does,'' Couch said. ''A couple bad games and all of a sudden the job is taken away ... you have to have good people around you to keep your confidence up. I've been there, I know what he's going through.''

Couch also feared the ramifications of the constant pounding that Browns quarterbacks take. Quinn was sacked nine times in the first two games and 10 times in three. But that's nothing compared to Couch, who absorbed 56 sacks as a rookie, 51 when he was healthy again in his third season and 166 for his career.

''David Carr had the same situation with an expansion team [Houston], he was beat to death,'' Couch said. ''You think you're going to be a great player, but once you start getting hit like that, you get a little gun-shy. It happens to everyone.''

Ironically, the Browns have the same quarterbacks coach, Carl Smith, that Couch did for the final three years of his five years in the NFL.

''He's a great football coach who has been in the NFL a long time,'' Couch said of Smith, starting his 20th season. ''He teaches the game really well, makes you understand it. He had an unfortunate situation, dealing with a team that's never been good enough to make a quarterback be successful.''

Couch said Anderson ''is certainly capable of getting the job done.'' And speaking from his painful experience, he had some advice for Quinn.

''Always believe in yourself and your ability,'' Couch said. ''Know you're good, you're put in a bad situation.''

Marla Ridenour can be reached at mridenour@thebeaconjournal.com. Read her Browns blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/. Follow the Browns on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/ABJ_Browns.
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