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Old 12-23-2009, 01:55 PM   #11
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Kobe drops another 40 and leads the MVP race so far this season!! (at least according to ESPN)
Possibly...but ESPN disagrees with itself to a certain extent.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...eLeBron-091223

I'll shorten it down to the categories...(the results may surprise you, but the explanation is given for each category)

Category No. 1: Perimeter shooting: LeBron 10, Kobe 9
Category No. 2: Pure scoring: Kobe 10, LeBron 9
Category No. 3: Making teammates better: LeBron 10, Kobe 8
Category No. 4: Primary defender: LeBron 10, Kobe 9
Category No. 5: Secondary defender: Kobe 10, LeBron 9
Category No. 6: Impact in transition: LeBron 10, Kobe 9
Category No. 7: Rebounding: LeBron 10, Kobe 10
Category No. 8: Intangibles: Kobe 10, LeBron 9
Conclusion

So who's the best player? Our final tally is LeBron 77, Kobe 75.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:51 PM   #12
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Don't forget how they say stat guys think LBJ is better but it's nearly unanimous among NBA players who is better, #24. Gotta keep you honest.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:22 PM   #13
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Kobe has peaked. He's not going to get any better. He MAY still be at the top of his game, but no one really knows WHERE the Zenith is for LBJ yet, because he's not there...
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:54 PM   #14
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Don't forget how they say stat guys think LBJ is better but it's nearly unanimous among NBA players who is better, #24. Gotta keep you honest.
I think it depends on the question. Kobe is probably a better 1 on 1 player...

If you had to pick one to play along side, who would it be?

You might get a different result. Kobe demands more ball time than Lebron does. Lebron is looking to make the smart basketball play and trusts his teammates to hit the open shot. Kobe creates his own shot.
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:23 AM   #15
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We had a whole thread on this last year, you brought up the article, I just exercised the rule of completeness in bringing the full article into focus. Here's the quote from the article, I'm not the one asking the question, I'm just the messenger:

"Who's better, Black Mamba or King James? Advanced stats clearly favor LeBron. On the other hand, NBA players say almost unanimously that Kobe is the game's best."

The question then becomes, what is a NBA players definition of better and best?
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Kobe has peaked. He's not going to get any better. He MAY still be at the top of his game, but no one really knows WHERE the Zenith is for LBJ yet, because he's not there...
You have to acknowledge the opposite as well, Rev. LBJ's stats have remained pretty consistent the past 3 years. He may be at his Zenith now. If he gets help his numbers surely will go down because he has to do less. He might win some rings but I don't think he's going to up the numbers. 07-08 appears to be his best year statistically. Just an observation.
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We had a whole thread on this last year, you brought up the article, I just exercised the rule of completeness in bringing the full article into focus. Here's the quote from the article, I'm not the one asking the question, I'm just the messenger:

"Who's better, Black Mamba or King James? Advanced stats clearly favor LeBron. On the other hand, NBA players say almost unanimously that Kobe is the game's best."

The question then becomes, what is a NBA players definition of better and best?
I know what the article says, my point of contention is what question (specifically) was asked. If you had one season to build a team and win a championship...would other superstars rather play with Lebron or Kobe?

I'm sure the Media will spin this into an individual win by Kobe (he did have 35 points) to go with his 9 rebounds and 8 assists. No doubt they'll mention James missing 5 free throws and 5 three pointers on his way to a 26 point, 4 rebound and 7 turnover night.

But we need to look beyond that. Kobe hit 33% of his 3's (a smidge beyond Lebron's 2/7) and while he did hit all 12 of his free throws, that means he made 23 points...on 32 shot attempts. It wasn't Lebron guarding Kobe either, but Anthony Parker for the majority of the game...and Delonte West coming in off the bench to pester him.

The media will largely disregard his -18 in the +/- column while trying to find some way to insult Lebron's meager +8. They'll ignore that Kobe missed more shots than Lebron took. They'll also point out Lebron only getting 4 rebounds while Kobe managed 9.

Because in today's game, it's always going to be about what Kobe accomplishes and what Lebron fails at. And because the media hypes it that way, the players buy into it as well.
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Somehow I doubt the players are checking stat lines and Hollinger's blog, but if you think the media loves Kobe more than LBJ, you're crazy. Might I point out the article you referenced? Media loving LBJ more than Kobe? But hey, don't take my word for it...
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I will always think LBJ is better then Kobe, thats just how i think.....they showed a thing on sportscenter about what LBJ and kobe accomplished by the time they were 25 because lbj turns 25 12-30-09, and i think the only thing kobe was beating lebron in was rings....LBJ will get a ring IMO before his career is over and as far as the better player of the 2 LBJ all-around, is the better player....all around being the key in my judgement.
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Somehow I doubt the players are checking stat lines and Hollinger's blog, but if you think the media loves Kobe more than LBJ, you're crazy. Might I point out the article you referenced? Media loving LBJ more than Kobe? But hey, don't take my word for it...
There are some people in the media who are starting to come around. It's a few years too late...but whatever.
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