What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

[GoSlash27]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

- oh noez!!! "we" are all doomed and GoSlash27 will rule the world!

whatever will "we" do when we are at his mercy in 2014?

seriously dude... get over yourself.

Wake me up when you think of an actual argument.

[GBMelBlount]

Originally Posted by stlrtruck

I'm not so sure that it's health care reform as much as they need health insurance reform and guidelines.

It seems that insurance corporations have a lot of legal mumbo jumbo that can confuse the everyday man and as soon as it benefits them, they cut the everyday man or increase his/her premiums.

I certainly agree with the need for guidelines to protect individuals from companies dropping them only to avoid costly treatments or procedures that are necessary.

One thing I find interesting is how Obama showcased someone whose mother died because she did not have insurance to cover a necessary procedure (I believe).

So I wonder if these types of cases would be would ever be publicized if the government decided against a necessary procedure because it was too expensive or that the likelihood of success was too low and the person died in a similar manner....

This does happen in some countries with socialized medicine, doesn't it?

[MACH1]

Originally Posted by GBMelBlount

I certainly agree with the need for guidelines to protect individuals from companies dropping them only to avoid costly treatments or procedures that are necessary.

One thing I find interesting is how Obama showcased someone whose mother died because she did not have insurance to cover a necessary procedure (I believe).

So I wonder if these types of cases would be would ever be publicized if the government decided against a necessary procedure because it was too expensive or that the likelihood of success was too low and the person died in a similar manner....

This does happen in some countries with socialized medicine, doesn't it?

See the current medicare/medicaid drop or refusal rate. Its twice as high than any insurance company. Just wait till rationing starts.

[GBMelBlount]

Mach1

See the current medicare/medicaid drop or refusal rate. Its twice as high than any insurance company. Just wait till rationing starts.

Wow. I had no idea.

I would imagine in the case of private insurers it is painted as greed and capitalism as Obama did in his example.

So in comes the government to fix things....

So now if the government denies someone I imagine the same treatment denial will be presented in a new way.......that by not treating them they are able to help others. You know, "taking one for the gipper" and doing a service for your country and fellow man by not complaining and just dying quietly.

Although they might be doing the exact same thing, it will likely be viewed differently by many because of how it's presented.

[Godfather]

Originally Posted by GBMelBlount

I certainly agree with the need for guidelines to protect individuals from companies dropping them only to avoid costly treatments or procedures that are necessary.

One thing I find interesting is how Obama showcased someone whose mother died because she did not have insurance to cover a necessary procedure (I believe).

So I wonder if these types of cases would be would ever be publicized if the government decided against a necessary procedure because it was too expensive or that the likelihood of success was too low and the person died in a similar manner....

This does happen in some countries with socialized medicine, doesn't it?

Yep. And it's even worse in Oregon. Their public health plan cuts off people who are too expensive and the "no more" letter offers to pay for assisted suicide. That is absolutely repugnant.

[tony hipchest]

nothing wrong with a little assisted suicide. it should be free and government supported.

Originally Posted by GoSlash27

Wake me up when you think of an actual argument.

you mean like this?-

Originally Posted by GoSlash27

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[TheWarDen86]

Originally Posted by MACH1

See the current medicare/medicaid drop or refusal rate. Its twice as high than any insurance company. Just wait till rationing starts.

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[tony hipchest]

Medical marijuana users risk job loss

another idea would be to reform this, although the drug companies rue the day, as do all the prisons since they have been privitized (gotta keep the streets clean of criminals like these)-

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/24...ex.html?hpt=C1

(CNN) -- When a rare form of cancer invaded Joseph Casias' nasal cavity and his brain, his doctor prescribed marijuana to help alleviate the daily pain.

Casias lives in Michigan, where medical marijuana is legal.

But his employer, Wal-Mart, the nation's largest retailer, fired him in November 2009 after he failed a drug test.

Casias, 29, says he never came to work high. He's got a medical marijuana card to prove he's allowed to smoke legally in the state.

"I was angry they did this to me because I always tried my best," said Casias, who was employed at Wal-Mart for five years. He earned an Associate of the Year award in 2008. "I want my job back. I thought I was part of the Wal-Mart family."

To date, 14 states have laws allowing the use of medical marijuana, which shield legal users from criminalization but don't protect them from them penalties enforced by their employers. As more people are being prescribed marijuana across the nation, they are wrestling with a caveat: They could be fired.

Without laws defending medical marijuana users from employers' drug policies, Casias and a growing number of medical marijuana users are being let go from their jobs, says Keith Stroup on the legal counsel team of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. He said his office, headquartered in Washington, receives about 300 e-mails and phone calls a year from medical marijuana users who have been fired or had job offers rescinded because of a failed drug test.

"Usually they talk about how they have lost their job," Stroup said. "And I tell them there's not a thing they can do about it."

this is brilliant!

take a 29 year old (probably dying of brain cancer) off the job market and paying taxes so we can put him in jail or support him on welfare for the rest of his life.

God bless george bush I, his war on drugs, and all his wackenhut friends.

[TheWarDen86]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

Medical marijuana users risk job loss

another idea would be to reform this, although the drug companies rue the day, as do all the prisons since they have been privitized (gotta keep the streets clean of criminals like these)-

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/24...ex.html?hpt=C1



this is brilliant!

take a 29 year old (probably dying of brain cancer) off the job market and paying taxes so we can put him in jail or support him on welfare for the rest of his life.

God bless george bush I, his war on drugs, and all his wackenhut friends.

George Bush? Blame Wal-Mart; Mary Jane is legal where the dude worked.
If you want to blame a president, why not Clinton or Obama? Neither of them changed our BS legal stance on it either.

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by TheWarDen86

If you want to blame a president, why not Clinton or Obama? .

because neither sunk billions of dollars in a bogus "war on drugs" campaign that was really nothing more than a pork barrel project for texas (throw in cali and AZ).