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Old 03-30-2010, 10:58 PM   #21
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Actually, the Federal government *doesn't* have the power (never a right) to print money. It has the power to coin money and regulate it's value. Crucial difference in the wording.
A dollar bill is merely a bill of credit; something expressly forbidden to the States due to the problems it causes (which we're seeing today).
Coining money means literally that; stamping and regulating coins. "Money" has intrinsic value, whereas a bill is merely a piece of paper.

Scope the antifederalist papers #44 to see the concern


And the Federalist response #44


As you can see, both sides were agreed on this point.
Ok, I get that part of it, but when they created the Federal Reserve and started buying paper money from it...didn't they basically hand over the right to regulate the value of it as well?

Again, all I know is, real debt in this country didn't start until the Federal Reserve and the IRS were created, and that most of our tax money is going towards paying back interest to the Reserve.


Also, I have to ask after reading that again...it seems to be stating that the states do not have the power to create their own currency, I don't see anything about Congress not being able to supply it's own paper bills. i.e. "For though no state can emit bills of credit, or pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts, yet the Congress themselves are under no constitutional restraints on these points." Maybe I'm misunderstanding the wording here, but it seems to say that Congress has the power to emit bills of credit, and I'm not sure I understand why the Federal Reserve would be needed to do that for them.

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I completely agree with your original post, and I hate it when I agree with you.
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I know how we (America) could pay for decent health care for all and lessen the budget crisis...but I don't think all the employees of the IRS would like it too much.

For starters, The government using its own power to print money would go a long, long way right now.

To be honest this statement isn't very clear. What do think someone is going to think when you say the government should print more money. I wasn't trying to be snarky so let's not go there. There is a huge difference between 'coining' and 'printing money' on paper. Paper is worthless. Something coined is usually a precious metal which always has value.
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And apologies for furthering the hijacking of the thread...my belief though is that if there was no federal reserve and the government controlled the printing and value of money, we probably wouldn't be having any discussions on the climbing of the national debt to 12 trillion dollars and wondering where the money for health care would come from.

The article is spot on, the government doesn't have the kind of money to make this a feasible venture, and it never will until the root problem is dealt with IMO.
Actually the deficit is over 100 trillion when you add in all the committed entitlement programs. I agree though the Fed should be dissolved and is the main reason were in this predicament.
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Also, I have to ask after reading that again...it seems to be stating that the states do not have the power to create their own currency, I don't see anything about Congress not being able to supply it's own paper bills. i.e. "For though no state can emit bills of credit, or pass any law impairing the obligation of contracts, yet the Congress themselves are under no constitutional restraints on these points." Maybe I'm misunderstanding the wording here, but it seems to say that Congress has the power to emit bills of credit, and I'm not sure I understand why the Federal Reserve would be needed to do that for them.
The basic rule of the Constitution is that any power not expressly delegated to the Federal government is denied them. Or at least that was the original idea. The Fed was created for exactly the purpose you're thinking. The Treasury can't pull money out of the inkwell on their own, so they subcontract it out.
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The basic rule of the Constitution is that any power not expressly delegated to the Federal government is denied them. Or at least that was the original idea. The Fed was created for exactly the purpose you're thinking. The Treasury can't pull money out of the inkwell on their own, so they subcontract it out.
As I do have a lot more questions and ideas on this topic, I think I'll start a new thread so this one isn't further hijacked.
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Yeah, well, whatever....

THIS thread is solely concerned about the lies and twisted math surrounding how this thing is supposed to pay for itself. I'm curious to see what, if any, liberal spin can be applied to this to make it appear better than it actually is....
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So very typically Tony. Absolutely no idea what the thread is about, so...well, post up some pictures. Do you have ANY idea how this legislature is going to be paid for? Do you even understand the OP? Better yet...

Got any bunker maps laying around?

As for flaming assholes, yeah, well, if you're an asshole, you're gonna get flamed. Don't want to be flamed?

Don't be an asshole.
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