Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2013 Goal: $400.00 - To Date: $00.00 (00.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Miscellaneous > Locker Room


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers Steelers - Referees    Browns

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-31-2010, 11:07 AM   #131
revefsreleets
Living Legend
 
revefsreleets's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Akron, Ohio Home of LeBron James
Posts: 15,403
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5353
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 43Hitman View Post
First of all, what does this have to do with HCR? Secondly, all of the social groups are readable. There is nothing private about them. There is only a couple that I know of that are by invite only, but you can still read them. So please stop trying to start flame wars Revs, the act is getting really old and it does nothing but derail the threads. The rest of us would like to debate things without the Tony vs. Revs sideshow.

Should I have started a new thread asking people to check out the little circle-jerk? Then I'd have been accused of attention w horism.

Anyway, 2/3rds of the posts in HCR threads already have nothing to do with healthcare...what's a couple more gonna hurt?
__________________
Official Steelersfever Arians Nuthugger
revefsreleets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 11:17 AM   #132
43Hitman
BACON!!
Supporter
 
43Hitman's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Richmond, Va.
Posts: 5,511
Gender: Male
Member Number: 1251
Thanks: 2,149
Thanked 739 Times in 386 Posts
My Mood: Cheerful
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Quote:
Originally Posted by revefsreleets View Post
Should I have started a new thread asking people to check out the little circle-jerk? Then I'd have been accused of attention w horism.

Anyway, 2/3rds of the posts in HCR threads already have nothing to do with healthcare...what's a couple more gonna hurt?

No, you should keep it to PM's. I know, a novel idea right? You can thank me later.
__________________


"Football is a physical game, or at least it used to be" -Mel Blount
43Hitman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 11:55 AM   #133
revefsreleets
Living Legend
 
revefsreleets's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Akron, Ohio Home of LeBron James
Posts: 15,403
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5353
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 43Hitman View Post
No, you should keep it to PM's. I know, a novel idea right? You can thank me later.
Yes...thank you for reminding me why I took a little self-imposed vacation from the rampant idiocy of this place. Nest time I want to post something calling the entire board's attention to it, I'll PM every single member.

You're quite the brainiac....
__________________
Official Steelersfever Arians Nuthugger
revefsreleets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 12:21 PM   #134
43Hitman
BACON!!
Supporter
 
43Hitman's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Richmond, Va.
Posts: 5,511
Gender: Male
Member Number: 1251
Thanks: 2,149
Thanked 739 Times in 386 Posts
My Mood: Cheerful
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

So you admit that you want the whole board to watch you and Tony have a pissing match? Okay. At least your honest about it. I wonder if you can make a post without trying to generalize the whole board as idiots or retarded. Also, if this board is full of idiocy, then why bother posting here? You never seem happy unless you're insulting someone or exalting yourself. Why is that?
__________________


"Football is a physical game, or at least it used to be" -Mel Blount
43Hitman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 12:30 PM   #135
revefsreleets
Living Legend
 
revefsreleets's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Akron, Ohio Home of LeBron James
Posts: 15,403
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5353
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 43Hitman View Post
So you admit that you want the whole board to watch you and Tony have a pissing match? Okay. At least your honest about it. I wonder if you can make a post without trying to generalize the whole board as idiots or retarded. Also, if this board is full of idiocy, then why bother posting here? You never seem happy unless you're insulting someone or exalting yourself. Why is that?
No...I want the whole board to see the childish behavior of a few posters who have chapped asses and cry a lot.

It only takes a few pissed off fools to wreck an entire board...and that little collection is a very good place to start...no reason not to shed a little light on the think-tank play pen they've cooked up.

Tony has little to do with it...he's like the 5th dimmest bulb in the group, and it ain't all that bright of a bunch to begin with.
__________________
Official Steelersfever Arians Nuthugger
revefsreleets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 12:53 PM   #136
steelax04
Assistant Coach
Supporter
 
steelax04's Avatar
 
HolmenKollen Ski Jump Champion!
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,438
Gender: Male
Member Number: 12182
Thanks: 299
Thanked 660 Times in 303 Posts
My Mood: Yeehaw
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Alright, I'm hijacking my thread back...

Regardless of whether Revs was a "day late and dollar short" it was pointed out that he echoed the general ideas on what HCR should be:

-Start at the provider level, and mandate a Mayo or Cleveland Clinic-type pay system where doctors work on salaries, NOT for billable services rendered.
-Examine these organizations best practices and either require that they be adopted or reward emulating them
-Un-pin healthcare from employers. That system is beyond repair
-Make buying health insurance just like buying car insurance (Give people MORE choices, not less), BUT...
-Drop the state barriers. Consumers can pick and choose from any insurance provider in any state, which will ramp up competition exponentially
-Provide vouchers for people who need and deserve subsidies (although I expect implementation of all the previous suggestions would drive rates down to the point of affordability for most people)
-Tort reform

So a question I have from the list... would the fierce competition proposed by opening up the state barriers hurt the system and end up driving providers out of business? Kind of like "price wars" for healthcare? Or would it eventually hit a floor and not be able to drop any further?
__________________
steelax04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 12:56 PM   #137
steelax04
Assistant Coach
Supporter
 
steelax04's Avatar
 
HolmenKollen Ski Jump Champion!
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,438
Gender: Male
Member Number: 12182
Thanks: 299
Thanked 660 Times in 303 Posts
My Mood: Yeehaw
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Another question, on Tort Reform. How do you regulate the amount of damages so a provider doesn't have to practice 'defensive medicine' but also have enough teeth for a lawsuit if they really do screw up? That's a pretty fine line to balance on imho.
__________________
steelax04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 01:22 PM   #138
Hammer67
Head Coach
Supporter
 
Hammer67's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Boston, MI (originally from Moon Township, PA)
Posts: 1,988
Gender: Male
Member Number: 651
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelax04 View Post
Another question, on Tort Reform. How do you regulate the amount of damages so a provider doesn't have to practice 'defensive medicine' but also have enough teeth for a lawsuit if they really do screw up? That's a pretty fine line to balance on imho.
That's a great question, I guess one would ask how it is handled in other kinds of law suits? As we know, sometimes monetary awards for civil suits can be ridiculous depending on the judge presiding...
__________________


"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

Hammer67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 01:30 PM   #139
SteelersinCA
Team Owner
Supporter
 
SteelersinCA's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,537
Gender: Male
Member Number: 9302
Thanks: 4
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelax04 View Post
Another question, on Tort Reform. How do you regulate the amount of damages so a provider doesn't have to practice 'defensive medicine' but also have enough teeth for a lawsuit if they really do screw up? That's a pretty fine line to balance on imho.
I don't think regulating the amount of damages is really the issue. How do you put a price on some of the medical malpractice or wrong that goes on? The real issue is filtering out the frivolous claims where people are trying to make a quick buck whenever anyone screws up. I would start with a prima facie showing of a MINIMUM amount of damages. The things that don't meet that minimum can be sent to a review board for binding arbitration. You shouldn't be able to get millions for a coffee burn. You also have to keep in mind the people awarding these damages are the juries. So, I don't think capping damages is the answer. If you lose life or limb you should get millions, if you get burned by coffee, considerably less.

It's a delicate balance but when you have a Constitution that provides so much for so many, it's difficult to limit it. Another thing that seems to be gaining ground is a loser pays doctrine. However, good luck collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from a turnip.
SteelersinCA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 01:44 PM   #140
stlrtruck
THE PRINCESS' Daddy
Supporter
 
stlrtruck's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 8,783
Gender: Male
Member Number: 2398
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default Re: What's your idea of Health Care Reform?

I think that part of that tort reform has to go in line with what service is being provided. I mean if I'm getting my teeth cleaned and the dentist jabs a hole in my jaw - there should be some sort of settlement. Then again if I'm having shoulder surgery and the doctor explains that there is a possiblity that I won't have 100% range of motion then a year later when I don't have 100% range of motion I shouldn't be able to take him to court. Just like sports, some surgeries have an assumption of risk. The doctor needs to lay them out in front of the person requiring surgery, then if the person decides to go for the surgery they understand that things may or may not work out 100% in their favor.

As for the HCR, it's going to be a constant battle because not everyone is going to be happy with everything that goes through. Let's face it, there are individuals out there today that are milking the system dry. If you change that system so they have to become an active part of it, then they won't be happy.
__________________

60 Minutes, 53 Men, 6 Trophies,1 NATION. . .STEELERS NATION!!!
Sig courtesy of STEELAX04
stlrtruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts