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Old 03-06-2006, 04:22 AM   #1
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Sunday promised the family of former NFL player Pat Tillman that investigators will examine all the facts surrounding his death in Afghanistan.

Gen. Peter Pace said the Army was launching a criminal investigation into the April 2004 death of Tillman -- an Army Ranger shot by fellow soldiers in what previous military reviews had concluded was an accident -- because the Defense Department's inspector general determined it was an additional step that needed to be taken.


A Pentagon official told The Associated Press on Saturday that a criminal investigation would focus on possible charges of negligent homicide. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the new investigation had not formally begun.

Investigators want to look into whether fire by the friendly forces was "fire that should have been going on or was someone potentially firing a weapon when they should not have been," Pace said.

"Although there's no evidence that there was criminal activity, the investigators did not specifically look at whether or not there was criminal activity, criminal activity being when Cpl. Tillman was killed by friendly fire," Pace said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Tillman's parents have been highly critical of the Army for its handling of questions about their son's death. Reached Saturday night by The Washington Post, Patrick Tillman Sr. remained skeptical.

"I think it's another step," he said. "But if you send investigators to reinvestigate an investigation that was falsified in the first place, what do you think you're going to get?"

The scope of the new investigation by the Army Criminal Investigation Command had not yet been determined in detail, Army spokesman Col. Joseph Curtin said Saturday. Curtin said the inspector general's office reviewed the matter at the Army's request and concluded a criminal probe was warranted.

Pace responded only indirectly when asked whether Tillman's case, which will now undergo a fifth formal investigation, had been mishandled. "Folks look at them to make sure they have complete information," he said on "Fox News Sunday." "If there's not complete information, they send it back."

Tillman, 27, played for the Arizona Cardinals but left the NFL to join the Army after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Tillman died on April 22, 2004, when he was struck by gunfire during a firefight along a canyon road near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The Army said at the time that the barrage of bullets came from enemy fire.

A report by the Army later found that troops with Tillman knew at the time that friendly fire had killed the football star. Officers destroyed critical evidence and concealed the truth from Tillman's brother, also an Army Ranger, who was nearby, the report found.

More than three weeks after a memorial service in San Jose, Calif., the Army announced on May 29, 2004, that friendly fire rather than an enemy encounter had caused Tillman's death. However, even at the time of the memorial, top Army officials were aware that the investigation showed the death had been caused by an act of "gross negligence," the report said.
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Tillman is a true American! Problem is all 1000+ who seved and died so far, are also true, brave Americans. They can`t give any special treatments or special investigations, just because he was an NFL star!
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Even if someone fired his weapon when there was no need to it doesn't make it automatically criminal. These things happen. I've seen guys who have had to live with that, and your heart goes out to them. I must say, though, I do wonder why it was hidden initially? As I pointed out, these things can happen, so why hide it when it does? Especially at the officer level. These officers, at least some on them, must have been Rangers. As a leader of men in the 75th Rangers you have to show good judgement under pressure first and foremost. If something was hidden by an officer within the Rangers he has to either give a good accounting of his actions or be kicked out of the unit. The moral aspect of being honest doesn't necessarily come into play here. If there were legitimate reasons for hiding the facts that would be good enough. But, since most likely this wasn't a covert operation, I'm having trouble thinking up a good reason.
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Tillman is a true American! Problem is all 1000+ who seved and died so far, are also true, brave Americans. They can`t give any special treatments or special investigations, just because he was an NFL star!

I could not agree more dont get me wrong it is a sad story but as a Former Marine I know that is it was me or anyone other the a star's name they would have never took this long to look into this or re-opened it in the 1st place and it is a Damn shame
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I could not agree more dont get me wrong it is a sad story but as a Former Marine I know that is it was me or anyone other the a star's name they would have never took this long to look into this or re-opened it in the 1st place and it is a Damn shame
Well it's more then just the fact that he was a star. It's the fact that he was a star, plus his family is pushing it, plus they f***ed it up the first time around. If you eliminate the last two reasons, they would have dropped it right away. If you drop the star factor but keep the other two the Army would just stall everybody to death and get away with it because of little press.

The big thing here is his family. They keep pushing.
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Well it's more then just the fact that he was a star. It's the fact that he was a star, plus his family is pushing it, plus they f***ed it up the first time around. If you eliminate the last two reasons, they would have dropped it right away. If you drop the star factor but keep the other two the Army would just stall everybody to death and get away with it because of little press.

The big thing here is his family. They keep pushing.

Yeah this is what I have heard also, his father is pushing it.
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