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Old 04-27-2010, 08:19 AM   #31
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This is all revisionist history. You simply can't look back on the relative failure of Quinn and NOT lay at least some of the blame at the blatant and repeated mishandling of him at the hands of the Browns. At least not least not if you're being intellectually honest with yourself. The horrible mind-games, the continual (and seemingly perpetually endless) "open competition", the threats of being pulled. It's a psychological nightmare for a QB.

As for Crennel, he actually did a much better job, as he let him sit for a year. Year two he did a little less right and a little more wrong, but Mangini was just a tool about the whole deal.

Finally, Orton has the HUGE advantage of playing most of his career with teams with defenses and running games. His win/loss record is always cited when people try to prop him up because it occults his overall actual lack of playing ability and general sucktitude. I'll pretty much go an record right now as stating that Quinn will, barring injury, beat out Orton as the starting QB in Denver this year.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:37 AM   #32
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Kyle Orton = 30-19 record as starter.

Last seasons - 21 TD, 12 INT, 62.1% Comp, 86.8 QB Rating.

Considering what we've worked with up to this point...I'd be more than happy to take that on.
kyle orton didn't play for eric mangini and the browns.
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Colt McCoy did not look happy to get the call from the Browns.
You noticed that, too? I didn't see much cheering or getting crazy like alot of the others did.
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You noticed that, too? I didn't see much cheering or getting crazy like alot of the others did.


McCoy had that look like the character in the movie, "Kelly's Heroe's" played by the gentleman who also plays Uncle Leo on Seinfeld.

The character in Kelly's Heroe's has been doing everything to catch up to Clint Eastwood's bunch in order to collect his share of the gold. He is finally making headway and then a general played by Carrol O'Conner shows up in a jeep with his enterage. The general asks Leo, "Where are you from soldier?" Leo answers with a dog face as he will never see the gold and like just got drafted by the Browns, "New Jersey, sir."
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This is all revisionist history. You simply can't look back on the relative failure of Quinn and NOT lay at least some of the blame at the blatant and repeated mishandling of him at the hands of the Browns. At least not least not if you're being intellectually honest with yourself. The horrible mind-games, the continual (and seemingly perpetually endless) "open competition", the threats of being pulled. It's a psychological nightmare for a QB.

As for Crennel, he actually did a much better job, as he let him sit for a year. Year two he did a little less right and a little more wrong, but Mangini was just a tool about the whole deal.

Finally, Orton has the HUGE advantage of playing most of his career with teams with defenses and running games. His win/loss record is always cited when people try to prop him up because it occults his overall actual lack of playing ability and general sucktitude. I'll pretty much go an record right now as stating that Quinn will, barring injury, beat out Orton as the starting QB in Denver this year.

Crennel "let him sit" because DA just had a "spectacular Pro Bowl" year. The difference between what you're saying now (lay blame at the hand of the Browns) and what you said previously (blaming Mangini solely) is backpedalling.

As for doing "a little less right and a little more wrong..." how is "I'll Flip A Coin" sound to you now? I know how retarded it was then...but lets use "revisionist" history here. Is that "less" than what Mangini was doing? Mangini flip flopped between the two...but he at least started to make a decision. (In this case, you can't go right between starting BQ and DA though...you just can't get that right.)

Orton may have always had defense/running game to help...but he still completed 62% of his passes last year and threw for nearly 4K yards. That's got to help some. Last year, though, he actually hurt his overall record with an 8-8 season.

Kyle Orton will still be next years starter...until such time that Tim Tebow learns to be an NFL quarterback. That'll take what...3-10 years? BQ will be a career clipboard holder.
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The game is afoot! I say Quinn, you say Orton. We'll know in a few months.

Tebow will NEVER be ready to take the helm of an NFL team unless they outlaw the forward pass.
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The game is afoot! I say Quinn, you say Orton. We'll know in a few months.

Tebow will NEVER be ready to take the helm of an NFL team unless they outlaw the forward pass.
In this, we are 99.9% agreed. I won't say "NEVER" because there is a chance he could. The odds of me winning the lottery are greater...but it "could" happen.
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