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Old 10-18-2010, 09:03 PM   #51
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Yeah, gotta agree with this Zu. Your hypothetical isn't really rational since there are more children to adopt than couples looking to adopt.

Sure my hypothetical is rationale. I never claimed i was solving the worlds orphan problem, I was asking on a one case basis, putting the reader in the position of the adoption agent or child.

Pretty simple and rationale question, i really don't see why it can't evoke a simple and rationale answer in return?


There's more factors than adoption as well...surrogates, in vetro, natural childbirth...adoption isn't the only option for gay (or straight) couples.

No question about it, never said that wasn't the case. I'm not claiming gays shouldn't or don't have the right to be parents.

And asking who the child would rather be with? Babies don't care about that stuff...they just want love. If there's a loving straight couple and a loving gay couple that wants to adopt one baby, I'd say that baby is pretty damn lucky either way. There's a lot of kids out there who don't get that from their own parents, so...
Nice dodge, now tell me what would you prefer, a loving nuturing home with a man and woman or a same sex couple?

Look no doubt there's plenty of dysfunctional straight couples out there, and I'm sure that a same sex couple could provide a great home for a child, but if all things were equal how many of us would really have no preference if we were in a postion to choose?
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Nice dodge, now tell me what would you prefer, a loving nuturing home with a man and woman or a same sex couple?

Look no doubt there's plenty of dysfunctional straight couples out there, and I'm sure that a same sex couple could provide a great home for a child, but if all things were equal how many of us would really have no preference if we were in a postion to choose?
Umm...not dodging...giving you an honest answer. And I agree with SiCA again on this. Whoever puts the bid in first.

What would I prefer myself? I went through a ton of shit with a straight couple (both loving, but I still went through a lot of stuff as a teen despite that), so I guess looking back it wouldn't really matter...as long as they were there for me. That's all kids really want in the long run.

Your preferences are your own...don't thrust them on everyone else.
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what this article boils down to is , are people products of their environment , or are they products of genetics. gays say they are born that way. maybe so , but environment / learned behaviour. definitely plays a huge part. look at pedophiles. is it in some peoples genetic makeup that makes them lust after children ? statistics show that most pedophiles were infact victims themselves as children. look at this article on afghanistans culture of pedo's. i'll just paste a few lines instead of the entire article.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-08-2...t-hamid-karzai

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For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it.

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"Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy."
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As for Karzai, an American who worked in and around his palace in an official capacity for many months told me that homosexual behavior "was rampant" among "soldiers and guys on the security detail. They talked about boys all the time."
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Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.
"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."
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Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys.

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Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure."
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As one boy, in tow of a man he called "my lord," told the Reuters reporter: "Once I grow up, I will be an owner, and I will have my own boys."
you'll see by this last bolded statement that not only pedophilia but homosexuality can be learned behaviour.
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Marriage was ordained by God to be one MAN and one WOMAN. Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve...

This is just my opinion, for whatever it may or may not be worth. And I hope that this does not get me banned from here because I really do love hanging out here. Keeping my fingers crossed....
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Marriage was ordained by God to be one MAN and one WOMAN. Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve...

This is just my opinion, for whatever it may or may not be worth. And I hope that this does not get me banned from here because I really do love hanging out here. Keeping my fingers crossed....
Lol...though I don't agree with you, you'll never get banned for sticking to your beliefs. Feel free to speak your mind anytime!
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Umm...not dodging...giving you an honest answer. And I agree with SiCA again on this. Whoever puts the bid in first.

What would I prefer myself? I went through a ton of shit with a straight couple (both loving, but I still went through a lot of stuff as a teen despite that), so I guess looking back it wouldn't really matter...as long as they were there for me. That's all kids really want in the long run.

Your preferences are your own...don't thrust them on everyone else.
I'm not thrusting my opinion on anyone. I'm just suggesting a little honesty.

MOP brought up an interesting point earliar on the thread, kids are cruel, having to intoduce your two moms or your two dads throughout your life would probably be more than a little bit of a drag. For most of us unenlightened folk anyway. IThe path of least resistance is usually the most sensible approach I've discovered over time, but of course when we're dealing with heightended sensitivity I guess some would prefer the path of egg shells, being extra carefull not to break any along the way.
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what this article boils down to is , are people products of their environment , or are they products of genetics. gays say they are born that way. maybe so , but environment / learned behaviour. definitely plays a huge part. look at pedophiles. is it in some peoples genetic makeup that makes them lust after children ? statistics show that most pedophiles were infact victims themselves as children. look at this article on afghanistans culture of pedo's. i'll just paste a few lines instead of the entire article.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-08-2...t-hamid-karzai

you'll see by this last bolded statement that not only pedophilia but homosexuality can be learned behaviour.

I get your point, but how can homosexuality be a predominantly learned behavior (as I agree, pedophilia can be), when same sex couples being allowed to raise children is a relatively new idea? If being gay is more of a product of environment, then there wouldn't be that many gay people would there?
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I'm not thrusting my opinion on anyone. I'm just suggesting a little honesty.

MOP brought up an interesting point earliar on the thread, kids are cruel, having to intoduce your two moms or your two dads throughout your life would probably be more than a little bit of a drag. For most of us unenlightened folk anyway. IThe path of least resistance is usually the most sensible approach I've discovered over time, but of course when we're dealing with heightended sensitivity I guess some would prefer the path of egg shells, being extra carefull not to break any along the way.
And I gave you honesty. I won't go deep into my childhood here...but things were pretty f-ed up for a while. I can't imagine they would have been any worse with gay parents. As long as they were home for me to talk to, that would have been enough for me. That's my honest answer.

The path of least resistance sounds nice and all...but I've taken all the shit I've gone through and let it make me a better person. I actually embrace that stuff now, and wouldn't want to just "glide through life" as a child. It would have made me soft.
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I get your point, but how can homosexuality be a predominantly learned behavior (as I agree, pedophilia can be), when same sex couples being allowed to raise children is a relatively new idea? If being gay is more of a product of environment, then there wouldn't be that many gay people would there?
i never said it was predominantly learned behaviour. i'm suggesting it could be . which is the premise of the article. not all pedo's were molested as children either. so are they somehow geneticly programmed to seek out children for sex ?
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I get your point, but how can homosexuality be a predominantly learned behavior (as I agree, pedophilia can be), when same sex couples being allowed to raise children is a relatively new idea? If being gay is more of a product of environment, then there wouldn't be that many gay people would there?
I guess in the case of the Afghan pervs it is a learned behaviour? Of course that's an extreme case study, with their backwards attitudes towards normal sexual attraction in a male -female situation they're bound to be effed up.
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