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Old 12-11-2010, 02:29 PM   #41
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Default Re: Why is Julian Assange un-American?

i seen where the one cable from bush , he said the saudi king was a good kisser , but had B.O. ....
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:48 PM   #42
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i seen where the one cable from bush , he said the saudi king was a good kisser , but had B.O. ....
You're confused.

That was a cable from our current president, B.O., stating that the king was indeed a good kisser, but had too much bush.
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Old 12-12-2010, 07:42 AM   #43
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Don't you think we have a right to know that? Our government tells us one thing, knowing something completely different is happening?



That's what upsets me. If the truth comes out about why we are over there, what's happening or the same for any other location and it's different than what the govt spoon feeds us, i.e. lies. I believe we have a right to know. Then we can take that knowledge to the voting booth.
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i highly recommend watching this video. it gives a whole new perspective when it comes to deciding if what the government tells you is true or not.

http://veehd.com/video/4551973_Dispa...Wikileaks-2010

if you don't have, or want to download the DIVX webplayer you can watch it on youtube in parts
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This whole thing is overhyped. Ignore Assange. He wants you to chase him. He wants to be an international fugitive.

And think about it. If some Australian guy can get at hundreds of thousands of secret US documents, don't you think China can too? Why doesn't the military try doing a better job of securing their information.
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This whole thing is overhyped. Ignore Assange. He wants you to chase him. He wants to be an international fugitive.

And think about it. If some Australian guy can get at hundreds of thousands of secret US documents, don't you think China can too? Why doesn't the military try doing a better job of securing their information.
That's part of the point, I guess. Assange doesn't "get" the information; it's given to him, mostly by disgruntled Pentagon and CIA employees who are feeling abused, ignored, or overworked and underpaid. I imagine there's a few idealists in the mix as well, who perhaps believed our own propaganda and thought they were signing up for something nobler.

There's another possibility as well, and MoP touched on it when he was asking why there's nothing on Israel: these documents could have been selectively leaked. They are real government documents, but not everything. Ahmadinejead is convinced they are CIA-initiated. He's not the brightest bulb on Earth, but he would know a thing or two about CIA programs.

The Israel tidbit is perhaps the most telling. I mean, think about it... since the Soviet Union collapsed, there's really only been one country heavily spying on the US, and that's Israel. And yet we have NO documents on them? What are the odds of that?
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i highly recommend watching this video. it gives a whole new perspective when it comes to deciding if what the government tells you is true or not.

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good videos
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INDYMEDIA: WikiLeaks ‘struck a deal with Israel’ over diplomatic cables leaks

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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12...r-cable-leaks/
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I find it hard to believe a source that can't even spell "were."
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I find it hard to believe a source that can't even spell "were."
lol... well i'm not positive , but i think it was arab media that "cracked" , the story. normally i wouldn't put too much stock into anything muslim when it comes to israel , because it's obviously going to be biased and filled with propoganda , but the fact that no israel dirt has been exposed is a bit fishy no ? does washington never have under the hat discussions about israel that gets recorded like they have every other country ? hell considering israel is the eye of the middle east storm , and a major reason why we are the "big satan' , i'd think at least half of those half a mill cables woulda been dedicated to them. i also found it pretty strange that , be it true or not , i haven't heard a peep about it in our media.
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While I know this country is flawed, I accept that, because I also know that in the end it usually serves the greater good.
IMHO that's a pretty naive statement. When our government starts illegal wars, dominates the majority of the countries financially and militarily on the planet, controls most countries resources, crashes global financial markets; they should expect that some people are going to do whatever they have to do to get people the information. If you think what Manning and Wkileaks released is bad you need to see a movie called:

The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1319726/plotsummary

Younger American's especially should this movie. This is what it used to be like before 95% of the world media was controlled by 5 or 6 corporations. What Manning and Wikileaks released wasn't anything comparable to the release of the Pentagon Papers and Daniel Ellsberg is an American that worked in the Pentagon. The Pentagon Papers was the pre-cursor that lead to Watergate and brought down a presidency. When someone is willing to risk going to prison for over 100 years, trust me they have something important to say. People died because of the release of the Pentagon Papers, but how many more peoples lives were saved by ending the illegal war in Vietnam? All Americans need to stop listening to media rhetoric telling them how great we are, and open a history book. Then they would realize some of the vile things we've done around the world since WW2. Personally I applaud Wikileaks and all other websites like them, I actually see them as "serving the greater good". I wish the American public spent the amount of time we do watching football reading sites like Wikileaks, asking questions, and searching for the truth. I think we'd be living in a much better world, at least a safer one.
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