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Old 02-10-2011, 06:49 AM   #11
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Default Re: Steelers Lose without Tone.......

That's almost like saying that the Steelers lost because we don't have Cliff Stout or Chuck Yeager or Byron Nelson.

No way to ever make that argument stick, no one can tell what "might have been".
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Old 02-10-2011, 07:27 AM   #12
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Jets lost with him who cares and they have the media darling who goes out with 17 year olds nows, named Sanchez the "great".
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:34 AM   #13
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I'm all for legalizing pot and whatnot...that's great, but like you said, it's just pot. He can't wait till he's retired to toke up? Seriously?

He's a selfish asshole IMO. He was getting paid millions of dollars to do a job and all he had to do was be a great player like he is and not get high. Well done 'tone.
Of course the other side of that argument is that if getting high HELPS MAKE HIM A GREAT PLAYER, then what's the harm as long as he shows up when needed?

I think that Wallace & Co. will eventually become one of the best receiver corps we've had in quite a while. But I DO believe that things may have turned out a bit differently if we still had Holmes on the field.

Getting rid of Holmes was one of the few things this team has done that I really didn't agree with. By all accounts, the players liked him (some said they loved him) and it's unfortunate that his issues coincided with Ben's which put too much pressure on the Rooney's to do SOMETHING. And when push comes to shove, a WR is far more expendable than a 100 million dollar franchise QB, so what came next was a no-brainer --- assuming of course that they had to get rid of one of them, which I still think was just a political call to keep the Rooney's from seeming as if they were running a halfway house for wayward athletes.

I think the Holmes deal was more about not being embarrassed than anything else and I'm sorry but it HAS affected the offensive output of the team --- especially in clutch situations.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:39 AM   #14
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Default Re: Steelers Lose without Tone.......

another one of these threads? lol
With "Tone", the Steelers still lose, easily (not to mention he drops as many passes as anybody...). QB off-day, turnovers, poor defense, stupid penaties, poor O-coordinator play calling, and on...and on...and on....along with a perfectly zoned-in Packers QB and psyched up team who wanted it more than we did...that all lost the game.
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Two points that need to be made.

1. Santonio's gone and not coming back.
'2. The Steelers missed the playoffs entirely 2 out of the 4 seasons that Holmes was a Steeler. So apparently he wasn't the be all end all arbiter of a Steelers successfull season.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:19 PM   #16
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we should bring santonio back if he can play cornerback..
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:49 PM   #17
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Two points that need to be made.

1. Santonio's gone and not coming back.
'2. The Steelers missed the playoffs entirely 2 out of the 4 seasons that Holmes was a Steeler. So apparently he wasn't the be all end all arbiter of a Steelers successfull season.
Yeah, I hear you..





But still...
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Tone always stepped up big in big games... who knows if that last drive would have been different??
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:43 PM   #19
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Tone always stepped up big in big games... who knows if that last drive would have been different??
Meh I don't think so. The thing that worries me about Holmes is he looks on track to get thrown out of the league. He's been suspended 4 games and I still hear stories about him smelling like weed and hanging out with shady characters.
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Meh I don't think so. The thing that worries me about Holmes is he looks on track to get thrown out of the league. He's been suspended 4 games and I still hear stories about him smelling like weed and hanging out with shady characters.
I saw a pic of him at the Pro Bowl with Ricky Williams and Michael Vick.
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