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Old 02-17-2011, 02:53 PM   #31
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thats just a myth, legend, and fan lore.

sure there is a highlight or 2 of kreider pancaking lewis, but the ravens routinely held ALL teams leading rushers to under a 100 yards, including the heralded dan, and the steam rolling bus.
No myth about it. They ran more effectively with a real lead block
FB than they did without one. Oh, but wait, you would prefer
we use some dorky TE who misses blocks that leads to
Super Bowl losses from fumbles instead? Way to go.
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Old 02-17-2011, 03:57 PM   #32
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No myth about it. They ran more effectively with a real lead block
FB than they did without one. Oh, but wait, you would prefer
we use some dorky TE who misses blocks that leads to
Super Bowl losses from fumbles instead? Way to go.

Hynoski was the lead blocker for Lewis and McCoy. You might know McCoy, he's the starter for the Eagles now. Lewis was the guy that broke McCoy's records his freshman year. Lead Blocker. Hynoski.

He can also catch out of the backfield. So you get the TE Aspect of the short routes with good hands and the lead blocking.

But you go on and put the name of the "proven blocker" you want out there. Please do. I'd be interested in seeing who it is you think we should Buy off the open market to be the FB you want in the formation.
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Hynoski was the lead blocker for Lewis and McCoy. You might know McCoy, he's the starter for the Eagles now. Lewis was the guy that broke McCoy's records his freshman year. Lead Blocker. Hynoski.

He can also catch out of the backfield. So you get the TE Aspect of the short routes with good hands and the lead blocking.

But you go on and put the name of the "proven blocker" you want out there. Please do. I'd be interested in seeing who it is you think we should Buy off the open market to be the FB you want in the formation.
No need to go FA market. The draft has plenty of good
FB for lead blocking every year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1244502 --super versatile player. Can be had in the 4th round. He can even play ILB if we need him to.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1680826 - Sherman is the bruiser who can be had in the 7th round or as an undrafted free agent.

There are plenty of good FB prospects who can be had late in the draft
or as undrafted free agents.

I would prefer they go for a legit lead blocker, who LOVES to do
that job and is great at it, than a tweener FB who is more
interested in carrying the ball.
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No need to go FA market. The draft has plenty of good
FB for lead blocking every year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1244502 --super versatile player. Can be had in the 4th round. He can even play ILB if we need him to.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1680826 - Sherman is the bruiser who can be had in the 7th round or as an undrafted free agent.

There are plenty of good FB prospects who can be had late in the draft
or as undrafted free agents.

I would prefer they go for a legit lead blocker, who LOVES to do
that job and is great at it, than a tweener FB who is more
interested in carrying the ball.
great thoughts, I like wear your head is at with the FB want.

but I had to give others a peak at my guy.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243179
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great thoughts, I like wear your head is at with the FB want.

but I had to give others a peak at my guy.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243179
I have nothing against your guy, as long as he relishes laying
out dudes with blocking and can do so with his taller frame.
I am not saying he can't - just want to make sure that is the
case. Block as a lead blocker is about two things and pretty
much two things only:

1.) WANT
2.) LEVERAGE

His 6-2 frame might give him a little less leverage than
I'd like, but if he was the WANT and gets low enough
when he hits, maybe he could be good. I just don't want
to sacrifice the punishing blocking just because the
kid can catch and run a little bit. Looking at his bio, I fear
he may be too into being a ball carrier and not enough
wanting to be the guy delivering slobberknockers. I want
a lead blocker who wants to destroy LBs and cherishes
that as much as anything. Is Hynoski that guy? He was
the 6th all-time leading rusher in high school so at that
level he was not that guy.

Anyone know if this guy LOVES to deliver slobberknockers
or not?
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David Johnson is a big boy, and versatile. I don't see what everyone's complaining about (as far as not having a FB, would it be different if Johnsons # was 35?) We still play power football, even when were passing - think about it...
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David Johnson is a big boy, and versatile. I don't see what everyone's complaining about (as far as not having a FB, would it be different if Johnsons # was 35?) We still play power football, even when were passing - think about it...
Here is what I believe most are "complaining about." Johnson is
an "ok" lead blocker, but no one is going to mistake him for a true
FB when it comes to lead blocking - he doesn't have the leverage.
He is a good blocker, in terms of blocking on the edge as a TE,
but providing lead blocking out of the backfield is a different animal.

Now, that being said, Arians has stated that he prefers H-backs
instead of FB because H-backs are more likely to offer better
pass catching skills. Only problem with that is that Johnson sucks
so bad at catching, that a FB would be just as good at catching (it
would take much) while providing superior lead blocking.

That is what my problem with using Johnson as opposed to
a true FB is: Offers weaker blocking while not offering better
receiving. Then why use him as opposed to a real FB? Makes
no logic.
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