Not so fast

[tanda10506]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

They will need to face the fact Ben isn't the type of quarterback to take control of a game and win it. He needs a running game to be successful.

I am starting to wonder if you are serious. Ben has took control and won many games for us. We do need a better running game, but Ben has won us many games.

[steelerjim58]

Originally Posted by tanda10506

I am starting to wonder if you are serious. Ben has took control and won many games for us. We do need a better running game, but Ben has won us many games.

This individual either is not really a Steelers fan or just does not know football. In either case it just is not worth the energy to respond to him.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by ETL

God, I didn't know that one person's neurotic babbling can last 14 pages....

To the pessamists (wicked, rooney, etc...) - statistically, in the end, there is a good chance that you will be proven right. Why? Because only 1 team will win the SB and that means that 31 out of 32 teams and their fans have some basis for griping. So gripe on, go kick your dog and tell us, "I told you so" and blah, blah, blah, ... (wow, what a miserable existence)

I'm not really griping. I don't derive my happiness from whether or not the Steelers win. It's a game.

I don't think they're going to win, so on a forum where we share our opinions, I share mine. This means I have a miserable existence? lol.

Perhaps we should change the name of this forum from Steelers Fever to the Steelers Conformity. The slogan could be: "Where all posters thinks the Steelers are going to win the Super Bowl every season because it makes us feel good!"

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by tanda10506

I am starting to wonder if you are serious. Ben has took control and won many games for us. We do need a better running game, but Ben has won us many games.

What game then? If it's supposedly "many", it shouldn't be hard to find just one.

What is the Steelers record when Ben throws more than 30 times?

22-24.

What is the Steelers record when Ben throws 30 times or less?

66-8.

Enough said. He's a glorified, lummix version, of Trent Dilfer.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by steelerjim58

This individual either is not really a Steelers fan or just does not know football. In either case it just is not worth the energy to respond to him.

I don't have the same opinion as you, therefore I am either either not a "real" Steelers fan, or I don't know football.

I'm not following your reasoning. Do tell. Explain how it is not possible for a "real" Steeler's fan to come to a different conclusion than you about Ben; or why any person who knows anything about football would have to come to the same conclusion as you about Ben.

[finesward]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

What game then? If it's supposedly "many", it shouldn't be hard to find just one.

What is the Steelers record when Ben throws more than 30 times?

22-24.

What is the Steelers record when Ben throws 30 times or less?

66-8.

Enough said. He's a glorified, lummix version, of Trent Dilfer.

He has 17 fourth quarter comebacks and 21 game winning drives in 6 seasons including a super bowl come from behind victory. You must have a really bad memory.

[Brett Cottrell]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

oh well.

some people will never be happy.

on to the colts.

beating them will be insignificant as well.

Come on, ol' Hoss, beating the Colts is never insignificant, because that which is fun is never insignificant!

[steelerjim58]

Originally Posted by finesward

He has 17 fourth quarter comebacks and 21 game winning drives in 6 seasons including a super bowl come from behind victory. You must have a really bad memory.

What so many do not seem to get, is that with no other changes other than who is the qb, if you were to put either brady or Manning in this offense, they would either be sacked 60 plus times or would see their completeion percentage drop considerably due to how many times they would have to throw the ball away.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by steelerjim58

What so many do not seem to get, is that with no other changes other than who is the qb, if you were to put either brady or Manning in this offense, they would either be sacked 60 plus times or would see their completeion percentage drop considerably due to how many times they would have to throw the ball away.

This ridiculous hypothetical never gets applied both ways. When you go on and on about Ben's two Super Bowls, you never mention he's had one of the most dominant defenses of all time. Yet of course, you'll use the situational excuses to downgrade those whom you want to downgrade. Selective logic at its best.

Clearly you didn't watch many of the Colts' games last year. They had an equally bad, if not worse, offensive line than Ben's. Which explains why they used their first 2 draft picks on offensive tackes.

Kerry Collins has already taken 5 sacks against teams not known for their front seven, putting him on pace for 40 on the season. Once the Colts start playing better defenses, the pace will surely increase, starting this week with the Steelers.

Manning, on the other hand, only took 16 sacks last year, despite having a lack-luster offensive line. He knows how to get rid of the damn ball!

In almost half as many seasons, Ben has already taken 50 more sacks than Manning. You think this is solely because he has a worse offensive line?

How about Tom Brady? During his record breaking season, he attempted 578 passes taking 21 sacks. The very next season, Matt Cassell, utilizing the same offensive line, took 47 sacks on 510 attempts. And Matt Cassell, by the way, is a half decent starting quarterback.

Instead of just arbitrarily and subjectively comparing situations to come to whatever conclusion you want, perhaps you should just look at the facts. Comparing how different quarterbacks handle the same situation, you should see the quarterback throwing the ball has a lot more to do with it than the offensive line protecting him.

Your arbitrary hypotheticals are ridiculous. If you really think Tom Brady wouldn't do better on the Steelers than Ben, then I'm glad you aren't running the Steelers.

[effyou515]

i would be more worried about this Steelers team if they would of just beat the Seahawks instead of dominated the seahawks like they did.