offender fined for low hit on big bens knee

[Danny136200]

Originally Posted by solardave

Are you out of your mind? Go back and watch it again. He wrapped his arm around Ben's right leg and took him down. THAT'S intent!!!!

no, I am not, but thanks for your concern. When Gilbert was beat, he extended his leg, and tripped up Brock, which he fell onto Ben's knee. Since he technically did hit the QB below the knee, then yes it should be a penalty, but it should not be a fine.

If this happen to James Harrison, you guys would be in an uproar.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by Danny136200

If this happen to James Harrison, you guys would be in an uproar.

You wouldn't suggest that posters on this forum aren't objective would you? Please say it isn't so!

The next thing you know, you'll be running around here saying Ben isn't the best quarterback of all time. How ridiculous! lol

[Dodens Grav]

It's interesting that Brock's forward motion after his knee hits the ground accelerates more rapidly toward Ben's legs. His arms also aim to wrap rather than to brace his body for the fall. This is enough evidence to suggest intent, regardless of whether or not he was tripped (which he was). The contact could have been avoided, and the hit merits the discipline he received, as would have Harrison or Woodley or any other Steeler that did the same thing.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by Dodens Grav

It's interesting that Brock's forward motion after his knee hits the ground accelerates more rapidly toward Ben's legs. His arms also aim to wrap rather than to brace his body for the fall.

Of course he intended to tackle Ben; tackling a QB though, isn't illegal. Did he intend to tackle Ben at his knees? No, he was tripped.

This is enough evidence to suggest intent, regardless of whether or not he was tripped (which he was).

His intent was to tackle, period. He was tripped into Ben's knees. But, he didn't intend to tackle Ben at his knees.

The contact could have been avoided, and the hit merits the discipline he received, as would have Harrison or Woodley or any other Steeler that did the same thing.

And I'm sure the mood would differ around here in such case.

[Fire Arians]

Originally Posted by Danny136200

no, I am not, but thanks for your concern. When Gilbert was beat, he extended his leg, and tripped up Brock, which he fell onto Ben's knee. Since he technically did hit the QB below the knee, then yes it should be a penalty, but it should not be a fine.

If this happen to James Harrison, you guys would be in an uproar.

james harrison wouldn't do something this dirty, he would just rip someones head off.

brock actually lunged into ben if you look at this gif, didn't wrap in order to drive his shoulder into the knee as much as possible. this was an attempt to injure. dirty ass play. cant blame him too much though, the only chance seattle would have at beating us is to knock our quarterback out of the game. though doubtful that would even work for them, they have to score points first.

Originally Posted by Dodens Grav

It's interesting that Brock's forward motion after his knee hits the ground accelerates more rapidly toward Ben's legs. His arms also aim to wrap rather than to brace his body for the fall. This is enough evidence to suggest intent, regardless of whether or not he was tripped (which he was). The contact could have been avoided, and the hit merits the discipline he received, as would have Harrison or Woodley or any other Steeler that did the same thing.

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

brock actually lunged into ben if you look at this gif, didn't wrap in order to drive his shoulder into the knee as much as possible. this was an attempt to injure. dirty ass play.

So if a player is running as hard as he can trying to make a tackle, and he gets tripped and is falling, he's supposed to just fall down and not try to make a play?

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

this was an attempt to injure.

Come on, FA, do you honestly believe that? Had he not been tripped, do you think he still would have went for Ben's knees because he had a free shot at him? I seriously doubt it. And in the split second it took from the time he got tripped to the time he hit Ben, I don't think he thought to himself, "Hell, since I got tripped and I'm going to the ground, I might as well try to injure Roethlisberger and take him out of the game."

[Fire Arians]

looked like a dirty play to me, he could have made a better attempt to wrap the legs rather than lunge into ben low going shoulder first

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by Fire Arians

this was an attempt to injure.

Did you have an issue with Harrison admitting he tries to hurt his opponents, after the Browns game last year?

[Fire Arians]

Originally Posted by cloppbeast

Did you have an issue with Harrison admitting he tries to hurt his opponents, after the Browns game last year?

attempting to hurt and injure is two things.

hurt = you might get your bell run but you can shake it off and get back in the game
injure = can't play for weeks, months, or season's over

when's the last time you seen james dive at someone's knees? he mans up and takes his target head-on. that's not cheap if someone gets injured by that, it just means they aren't tough enough to handle james

i never complain about head-on collisions, but diving at the knees doesn't sit well with me

[Dodens Grav]

The point isn't that he tried to tackle him. The point is that he continued to make an effort to contact him after he was tripped, and after the ball was released, and he hit Roethlisberger at the knee. Because he continued to attempt to make contact, you cannot use the argument that he was tripped to justify the incident. Was he aiming for the knee, or did he intend to cause an actual injury? I don't know that and won't try to speculate, and I'm not going to assume that what happened was his goal. But that is not even relevant. What is relevant is that he purposefully, and not accidentally, hit Ben, and where he hit him was in an area that results in a penalty and a fine. Period.