Why is it

[theplatypus]

Originally Posted by SteeleReign

Sure...call me crazy, but I'd put my money on Manning making a difference for Indy's offense. Would we have lost? Who knows? This argument boils down to the fact that you think our offense is worse than our defense, and I feel the opposite. Pretty sad that we have to debate this.

Let me just say that a win next week over the Texans could make me change my mind.

How can you discount 10 turnovers in 2 games? Here's one from your playbook. IF the offense didn't give the ball away 10 times in 2 games we would be 3-0. Last night the defense had no say in half of their total points.

[jtbsteeler]

Originally Posted by Curtain_of_Steel

Not the D's fault. Although I would like to know what Lebeau was thinking playing 2 D lineman most of the game. Only late did we have 3 out there. Having 2 allows for some running.

Wasn't really Bens fault, you can't have LB's in your kock after the first step back. They think getting to the SB was a success based off the Oline, so they dont have to fix it. We have a ton of money out there and we are not fixing the holes.

And where was McClendon after a solid game last week?

Lebeau, do me a favor and sit Aaron Smith. Hood seems better against the run and pressures the pocket.

[steeltheone]

Originally Posted by jtbsteeler

And where was McClendon after a solid game last week?

Lebeau, do me a favor and sit Aaron Smith. Hood seems better against the run and pressures the pocket.

This love affair with Smith needs to stop...Imagine the OLineman we could have for his 6 mill salary, which the front office NEVER asked him to renegotiate.

[Steeldude]

Originally Posted by theplatypus

when the offense gives away 13 points some people blame the defense? The defense gave up ONE ****ING DRIVE and was within inches of ending that drive, but they're the problem. In two games our offense has killed 10 drives by committing turnovers, but by and large the defense gets the blame. Oh I know IF, IF, IF someone had caught the ball

it was obvious the steelers' run defense was not that great. hampton and smith were pretty much manhandled. you also have to take into account how many poor throws to wide open WRs the colts threw.

the steelers are not playing well. how ell do you think it would have gone with manning at the helm?

[theplatypus]

Originally Posted by Rockonsteel

The defense got no pressure on the qb. One sack, which generated the first defensive turnover of the season 12 quarters into the season.

Hello? The defense that supposedly got no pressure, knocked the starting QB out of the game.

[Steelerfreak58]

Defense had basically one bad series against a really bad offense. The offense and Arians did just about everything they could to lose that game.

[cloppbeast]

Originally Posted by SteeleReign

Not a fantasy. If you want to pretend that the defense is fine you do that. Watch the game again. If Manning completes 50% of the missed throws by Collins/Painter we would have been playing catch-up - and it's no stretch to assume that.

Sure, our offense is looking pathetic too. But, I hold the defese in higher regard than the offense. I knew that our o-line would struggle, Ben would hold the ball too long, Mendy would dance around, and Arians would be Arians.

I didn't expect little to no pass rush by the LBs, little to no push by the DL, missed assignments by the DBs, lazy play by the D as a whole. And a complete disappearing act by Woodley.

Alll I'm saying is that the defensive play so far surprises & concerns me more.

I don't have much confidence in the defense stopping a good offense. But I have absolutely no confidence in the offense scoring on a good defense.

Last night our defense lined up against a shitty offense and held them to 20 points, with help from the offense with 3 turnovers, and scored 7 points for the offfense.

The offense lined up agaisnt a shitty defense and turned the ball over 3 times, ran the ball for like 50 yards, and scored 16 points.

Not only did the defense hold the Colts to 7 honest points, they also scored almost half as many points as the offense.

[SoCalFan]

Knocked out the starting QB yes,but come on,its no secret we are getting NO pass rush this season and what does QB pressure bring? TURNOVERS/INTs....We have 1 turnover with 0 int's in 3 games.....WHY sugar coat this?

[theplatypus]

Originally Posted by steeltheone

This love affair with Smith needs to stop...Imagine the OLineman we could have for his 6 mill salary, which the front office NEVER asked him to renegotiate.

and how do you know that Smith was never asked to renegotiate?

[theplatypus]

Originally Posted by SoCalFan

Knocked out the starting QB yes,but come on,its no secret we are getting NO pass rush this season and what does QB pressure bring? TURNOVERS/INTs....We have 1 turnover with 0 int's in 3 games.....WHY sugar coat this?

I'm not sugar coating anything. THe simple fact is at least half the stuff the sky is falling crowd spews is absolute garbage. Our offense has given the ball away 10 times in 3 games and 13 times in the last 4. You can't blame the defense when they're constantly asked to defend a 10 yard field. When's the last time you heard of a team winning after turning the ball over 7 times? What's the W/L percentage when turning the ball over 3 times in a game?