Having Serious Doubts About Tomlin

[SteeleReign]

Originally Posted by Big D

I have to disagree with you on this. Coaching does make one hell of a difference. Look at the downward spiral the chargers have taken since schottenheimer got fired. I do tihnk tomlin is a hell of a coach and easily a top 3 coach in this league.

I can agree to disagree. Although, I do agree with you regarding the Chargers - Norv is an OC, not a HC.

As for Tomlin, I just don't see it. As I said, what imprint does he have on this team? Tomlin reminds me of a more polished version of Wade Phillips, except that Phillips obviously made an impression on Dallas' offense. Tomlin seems so measured and passion-less. Maybe it's his demeanor to the press, and that's cool. But, I can't figure out where Tomlin has made the Steelers better.

[tony hipchest]

how did wade phillips make an impression? he's a defensive coach. more like sean payton and jason garret left an impression on their offense.

if this is the off the wall stardard tomlin is going to be held to by the fans, he is doomed before he even begins.

[SteeleReign]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

how did wade phillips make an impression? he's a defensive coach. more like sean payton and jason garret left an impression on their offense.

if this is the off the wall stardard tomlin is going to be held to by the fans, he is doomed before he even begins.

You missed my point. Phillips brought a defensive philosophy to the Cowboys, despite what you think of him as a coach. I'm no fan of his by the way.

My point is...what does Tomlin bring to the Steelers, other than a players-coach style of coaching? He's a Tampa 2 defensive coach, which is not part of our defense. Arians runs the offense (horribly). So, what impact does Tomlin provide to the team aside from being chummy with the vets?

I would have thought his impact would be in the secondary, but we haven't seen evidence of that to date.

[SCMom]

Originally Posted by Big D

what kills me is mike martz gets beat down on a weekly basis for being pass happy. Arians has been doing the same thing all year. I do think if we continue to sputter the rest of the year arians should be fired. And if not if we miss the playoffs next year you have to consider firing arians AND TOMLIN.

Firing Tomlin if the miss the playoffs next year is a little extreme and knee jerky IMO. And it's not how the Steelers (or most other teams for that matter) conduct business. He hasn't had a losing season yet, and you want to consider firing him after one, possibly two losing seasons? So soon after he's taken the team to two SBs?

Arians I agree with though...he should have been gone after the '09 season.

[steeltheone]

Originally Posted by Big D

I have to disagree with you on this. Coaching does make one hell of a difference. Look at the downward spiral the chargers have taken since schottenheimer got fired. I do tihnk tomlin is a hell of a coach and easily a top 3 coach in this league.

Are you drunk, Top 3 in the league? You ever hear of George Seifort?

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by SteeleReign

You missed my point. Phillips brought a defensive philosophy to the Cowboys, despite what you think of him as a coach. I'm no fan of his by the way.

My point is...what does Tomlin bring to the Steelers, other than a players-coach style of coaching? He's a Tampa 2 defensive coach, which is not part of our defense. Arians runs the offense (horribly). So, what impact does Tomlin provide to the team aside from being chummy with the vets?

I would have thought his impact would be in the secondary, but we haven't seen evidence of that to date.

ahhh...

maybe your point just wasnt clear. did he bring a defensive philosopy or make "an impression on Dallas' offense"?

or was it his defensive philosphy that left an offensive imprint?

anyways, dallas sucks, wade was fired, and they didnt win jack shit with him as HC, so maybe he didnt bring much of anything to the table and it was just a bad example.

[Sixburgher]

Originally Posted by steeltheone

Are you drunk, Top 3 in the league? You ever hear of George Seifort?

If by extension you're comparing Cowher to Walsh, the same question can very rightly be asked of you.

[steelfury02]

once again - who exactly should be the head coach in Tomlin's place?

[SCMom]

Originally Posted by steeltheone

Are you drunk, Top 3 in the league? You ever hear of George Seifort?

I'm pretty sure he means in the league right now...not all time lol.

[OX1947]

Tomlin is a good coach. However, his style doesn't work for me, personally. Cowher was more of my personality. But, saying Tomlin is winning with Cowher's guys still is a bit unjust. Cowher's been retired for 5 years. In sports, little things and inches change the entire course of a person's legacy and ability. If the Steelers have one less turnover in February, Tomlin would be a 2 time Super Bowl winning coach. If Bledsoe isnt knocked out by Mo Lewis, is Belichick a genius? What if Cowher had Marino in 1992? A lot of things factor in to this.

Now, where most of you are right with Tomlin is his decision to let Bruce run the offfense. He needs to put his foot down a little more. Not only for the sake of the team playing well, but for the health of his QB. Big Ben may be an issue with that as well. Ben is in his 8th year, and he may need to start thinking about whether he is going to be able to play 5 more years. He can not continue to allow himself to get murdered the way he has. And I put it on the head coach to convince and protect his 100 mil QB and 2-time SB winner, who happens to be in his prime.