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Old 01-23-2012, 10:33 AM   #21
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The BIG issue that doesn't get brought up too much, is fact that Big Ben gets killed on a regular basis.

I'm guessing a big reason the Rooney's wanted to see more running was because they want their franchise QB protected. Under Arians Ben was always near the top of the league in sacks. I'm willing to bet no QB was sacked more then Ben over the past 5 years. We all know Ben's style of play...it leads to sacks. But it is the OC's job to at least reduce that number. As the OC you are the boss. You have to adjust your plays to keep the sack totals down. 5 step drops 50x per game w/ deep routes isn't helping. Arians attempt to reduce the sacks was us running bubble screens 5x per game.

I'm sure Arians was told to protect Ben more and reduce the hits he's taking... it never happened. Arians was also told to improve the running game...it never happened. Arians was told to be more efficient...it never happened. I'm sure the FO expected an improvement in points scored....it never happened.... it went backwards. This was the theme going all the way back to when Arians was hired. I think 5 years is plenty of time to show some improvement... it never happened. Arians should have been fired last season. If our boss tells us to do something and we ignore it for 5 years...expect to be fired.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:09 PM   #22
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I have read Madden before and he can be as azz and/or an idiot. But since I said basically the same thing call me the same. I wrote in earlier posts about the offense having a bottom five starting field position and our defense causing the fewest turnovers in the NFL lead to the offense having to go longer for TDs more often. This in turn leads to the odds increasing of drives stalling resulting in FGs instead of TDs.

I read some where, but I can't find it now or verify it, that the Steelers lead the league in Time of Possession. A good running game is needed to keep defenses honest and control the clock. But if we led the league in TOP without a running game think what we could do with one. Now with that said I think the talk Rooney had with Tomlin and Arians last year about running more effectively could have been the fall for Arians this year. It could lead to Tomlins fall if things do not improve. This is not the old guard Rooneys, what may have been the way before could change. Tenure is not guaranteed anymore in the Steelers organization. Seems Rooney wanted change and he put his foot down, I hope that change turns out to be good for the Steelers.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:51 PM   #23
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Mark Madden, his name should be Mark Ryan, he looks and whines just like the Ryan brothers. Marky Mark should have a slimfast and shut the F up! :)
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Old 01-24-2012, 05:59 PM   #24
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Why the fat pig even has a job as a reporter is what amazes me. Anyone with any brains could see that Arians had no sense of trickery in him. Same plays over and over every game despite the opponent. The only reason we had a 12-4 record this year is the ridiculously easy schedule we had. It had nothing to do with Arians and his stupidity in red zone play calling. I don't know why they didn't use the same game plan they used against New England every single week. It worked like a charm. Of course they still didn't win by as much as they should have. It seemed like a slaughter but it was too close for comfort.
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Lets back up a second here.. The Steelers are one of the most consistant teams in the NFL, year after year they are RELEVANT. Why? Without going into the mechanics of offense and defense I belive this has alot to do with attitude - that same attitude that made me into a Steeler fan in the first place.

Accountability and stability. This has quite alot to do with the owners, the Rooneys has (atleast in the past) showed patience enough to let coaching staff and players both develop over time.

I really hope that the Rooneys wont start acting like some other owners out there that give coaches a year or two and if it does not result in instant success, it means they make a change. I firmly belive thats a recepie for mediocracy.

In the case of Arians, he was given a number of years - and despite this guy Madden obviously being an idiot - he does raise a few valid points. The defense HAS been the focus of the Steelers, and rightly so - its what the Steelers are and should be about. There is alot of critisism of Arians on these boards, which is understandable as he changed the teams offensive identity into something that wasnt quite the Steelers - and I belive the change was for the best. But lets be FAIR to the guy. Every match the Steelers lose isnt the offensives fault, and every win isnt to be credited to the defense. The Steelers have been RELEVANT almost every single year during Arians tenure, and we cant put ALL of that on the defensive side of the ball (most of it, yes. All, no.)

As for the Broncos match - they didnt put up enough points. True. But what lost us that match was giving up big plays on defense.

Honestly, I think we need to be grateful for what we have 12-4, thats not a bad season, not even if we consider the one-and-done in the postseason.

As I said, I'm glad they made a change, but I PRAY that the Rooneys dont turn themselves into the kind of shallow and shortsighted owners that condem their teams to irrelevance.
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Oh boy. Mark Madden and Ron Cook must have a love affair or something
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dont worry sneak, the rooneys wont turn into that.

i dont think the rooneys have neglected the offense.

ben, holmes, miller, and mendenhall were all 1st round picks in 4 out of 5 years. we traded up for holmes just like we did sweed. we spent 3rd rounders on wallace, reid, spaeth, sanders, and 2nd rounders on gilbert and sweed. 18th overall might have seem high place to take a center, but we made the OL a priortiy.
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dont worry sneak, the rooneys wont turn into that.

i dont think the rooneys have neglected the offense.

ben, holmes, miller, and mendenhall were all 1st round picks in 4 out of 5 years. we traded up for holmes just like we did sweed. we spent 3rd rounders on wallace, reid, spaeth, sanders, and 2nd rounders on gilbert and sweed. 18th overall might have seem high place to take a center, but we made the OL a priortiy.
Pretty amazing what we've been able to make out of some of these picks, isn't it?

Wallace and Brown we're both low picks for their talent, and that's just to name a couple.
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Art Rooney II is not like his father or grandfather. I would say, each generation has a little more edge. The Chief was beloved and kind. Dan was the same but with more of a stern type attitude. Art II is a gangster compared to his pop and the Chief. He is very determined. I do not know him personally but in looking at how he operates and his mannerisms, they seem to be what I presume.

The Steelers have a large window here with a franchise QB. Yes there are some older players but the Steelers have youth everywhere too. Steelers can not end this era with just 2 titles. I think it would be a waste. Had they won last year, I would say, yah, I guess we got 3 and that's a lot, but 2 for some reason sounds underachieving with the amount of talent they have.
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