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Old 01-23-2012, 11:32 AM   #41
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I wasn't singling you out. It just seemed like from one day to the next everyone decided that Ben was fat and lazy. If this was a sentiment that I had seen floating around regularly (from posters other than the Raven lurkers, that is) then I would have let it pass without comment.

Besides, my question still stands: where are people getting this idea? Show us an article. We're here to share Steeler news and discuss it.
We're cool. No animosity from my side.

I don't know about you but I don't need an article to realize that Ben's fatter and less mobile than 4 years ago.
As for being lazy, I don't know if he is but he's known for not studying tapes as much as his peers. I remember reading articles about it.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:53 AM   #42
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http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/01/25...ger-really-is/

...straightforward, but nuthin' much that we didn't already know about.
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:06 AM   #43
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Ben is already a top 4-6 QB in the league. When I read some posts here, I think we are talking about Joe Flacco. The Steelers don't need to fix Ben. They need to fix the O-Line and have a competent OC.
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:17 AM   #44
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this thread sucks!!!!

ben has taken us to 3 superbowls. ben doesnt need to be fixed. some of you guys though......
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:41 AM   #45
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this thread sucks!!!!

ben has taken us to 3 superbowls. ben doesnt need to be fixed. some of you guys though......
Yeah but it's a fact that Ben doesn't throw 45 TD's a year and his QB rating isn't 158, so obviously he's not built for this league and frankly, I just can't understand how we've managed to put up with him for as long as we have!

I mean, ONLY 3 Super Bowls in what? Seven years?
The guy is obviously dogshit!
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:58 AM   #46
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this thread sucks!!!!

ben has taken us to 3 superbowls. ben doesnt need to be fixed. some of you guys though......
Maybe "fixed" is a poor choice of words. But how about "improved?" I think we can all agree that everyone (generally) tries to improve at their craft be it quaterback of the Steelers or your dentist. Working to strengthen your weaknesses is something that leads to improvement. The real question should be, "does Ben work his hardest to become the best he can be?"
I'm certainly no insider, but he has certainly contributed to the notion/ reputation / image of someone who doesn't.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:14 PM   #47
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Yeah but it's a fact that Ben doesn't throw 45 TD's a year and his QB rating isn't 158, so obviously he's not built for this league and frankly, I just can't understand how we've managed to put up with him for as long as we have!

I mean, ONLY 3 Super Bowls in what? Seven years?
The guy is obviously dogshit!
Yeah, but don't forget he rode the defense's back every time.



Actually, I jest. I agree with you 110%. The dude may not do it all pretty like Brady and put up HUGE numbers like the other fantasy princesses, he's a gamer and just the type of guy I enjoy watching/having on our team. AND, he's numbers ARE NOT THAT BAD. Look at Ws and Ls, YPA/YPC, career QB rating, etc... Sure, he looked slow at the end of the year HE COULD BARELY WALK! (You forgot drama queen, btw )

If that's dogshit...

I agree that with an OC that can figure out a better play in the red zone than "Everyone try to get open while Ben gets chased around the pocket" then the team is going to be dangerous!
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:41 PM   #48
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The guy is a freaking hero in my book. Nothing that needs "fixing". Can he improve? Yes. So can Tom Brady. So could Peyton Manning before the injury. So can ANYONE at ANYTHING. Nobody is 100 percent perfect.

But you know what I say? I say we should be grateful for having Big Ben, because he goes out there and plays his heart out despite being hurt. He is also mobile enough (atleast when all limbs are intact) to actually make it viable to play with that OL of ours.

Honestly, to badmouth the guy for his performance in the matches after the Browns game, when he displayed great loyalty and leadership by even stepping out on the field is just nonsense. If he HADNT played he would have gotten crap for not being tough enough for the team.

As far as his character - are we talking about that stuff early last season? Or the motorcycle accident?

The accident, fine. He was being an asshole riding his bike. Seen any stories about him doing that lately?

About those women? Was he charged? It was all about "placing himself in that situation", as if he let the team down by going to a club in the offseason.

Seriously.. Leave the guy alone.
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:29 PM   #49
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Myth #1 We scored more under Cowher when we ran the ball.
This is False we scored on avg less than we have with Tomlin as coach, As a matter of fact the scoring differential is less for Cowher than Tomlin.

Myth #2 But we won more when we ran. False again Tomlins win pct is higher than Cowhers even if you factor in his best rushing teams and his two SuperBowl teams. Matter of fact his first SuperBowl we were more a passing team with Neil O'Donnell as QB. And the one he won had a second year QB lead the team through three road games with these kind of numbers 49-72 68% 7TD 1 INT
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:35 PM   #50
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Hey how bout we just cut Ben and start Batch next season, or maybe Dixon. We all know you can pick up a franchise QB nearly every draft. The Steelers have drafted a QB with their first pick 3 times in modern era Terry, Malone, and Ben. Now it appears to me that two of those times has paid in spades and Malone was not part of the equation. I can understand some critical statements but some of you guys are just showing hate. Personal life aside he has been a great QB for this Team. He is so selfish he plays hurt, takes hits, and takes up for a team mate publicly nearly always. Sorry if he wrecked some of your fantasy teams.
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